Not a real nurse?? - page 6

When I am in the capacity of charge nurse on my LTC unit , I find it humilliating and frustrating that I have to find an RN to sign off on my MD orders , and if we have a fall only they can do the... Read More

  1. by   Kelly_the_Great
    Okay, this might be a little fftopic: but..........

    You know something I think is funny? Many of the RNs who say "you're not a professional", ya'll all know th' rest, "you didn't get as much training" yayayayayayayayayaya!!!! These same nurses will say, a BSN shouldn't get paid more than an ADN.

    And what's their excuse????? Because the do the SAME thing!..... (You know kind of like LVNs do except hanging blood and pushing a few different IV meds, maybe makin' supervisory visits too)

    So then we must ask ourselves, "why should I continue with my education???" "Is it going to do me any good???" We hurt our profession by not valuing each and every member of our body (and this is really extreme but I think this includes our nurse aides as well).

    Do many other professions have this same lack of respect for eachother???

    For instance, do you think the following quote encourages continued scholarship or just sounds condescending?

    Originally Posted by purplemania
    yes, you are less qualified to take orders. You chose to be that way when you stopped your education. I am limited by my choices too. Either go back to school or lobby congress to change the laws.


    I'm not so sure I would use this technique to develop a "trusting, nonjudgemental, encouraging" relationship with a patient. Why don't we apply the same principles we use with patients to eachother????

    Isn't that the key to nursing? Isn't that what makes us set apart from all other professions....caring?

    Dunno, I realize I didn't keep this "short". I just don't understand why we don't care for eachother...
    Last edit by Kelly_the_Great on Apr 25, '05
  2. by   lizscott nurse
    We hurt our profession by not valuing each and every member of our body (and this is really extreme but I think this includes our nurse aides as well).

    I whole heartily agree!!! I value my resident assistants tremendously. They
    so often are my eyes and ears. I believe too that each member of our body
    (nursing) is important. I continue to be baffled by the negative remarks
    I've read regarding LPN's. I'm proud to be an LPN. I guess I judge co-workers
    on character rather than years of schooling.......regardless of their title.
    Your title does not define you as a professional....your work ethics do.
  3. by   Kelly_the_Great
    Quote from lizscott nurse
    Your title does not define you as a professional....your work ethics do.
    Likin' this philosophy lots, lots, Liz...
  4. by   Kelly_the_Great
    Quote from lizscott nurse
    I value my resident assistants tremendously. They
    so often are my eyes and ears. I believe too that each member of our body
    (nursing) is important.
    Yep, and ya know what? Ya never know when they might come back as your boss a few years down th' road...lol :wink2:
  5. by   lizscott nurse
    Quote from Kelly_the_Great
    Yep, and ya know what? Ya never know when they might come back as your boss a few years down th' road...lol :wink2:
    That's so true! : )
  6. by   txspadequeenRN
    This happened to a LVN I knew. She was awfull to this one particular aide and for years she just demanded and demanded from this poor girl. The aide did what she was told ..no complaints but she told no one she was in a BSN program . After she graduated she went to work, her same floor and that LVN said "Get these V/S" . The now RN (former aide) said Im not getting them..Your getting them for me. Im your charge nurse now.







    Quote from Kelly_the_Great
    Yep, and ya know what? Ya never know when they might come back as your boss a few years down th' road...lol :wink2:
  7. by   txspadequeenRN
    Well, opposum on a gum bush!!! Another RN breaking us down...Are you kidding me?... Get real. I have been taking and signing off orders for years. I dont need no damn body to sign orders or do anything else for me.






    Quote from purplemania
    yes, you are less qualified to take orders. You chose to be that way when you stopped your education. I am limited by my choices too. Either go back to school or lobby congress to change the laws.
    Last edit by txspadequeenRN on Apr 25, '05
  8. by   Chel
    Quote from xmaxiex
    When I am in the capacity of charge nurse on my LTC unit , I find it humilliating and frustrating that I have to find an RN to sign off on my MD orders , and if we have a fall only they can do the assessment. No wonder they treat us as if we are not " real " nurses.

    Amazing how the scope of practice differs from state to state. I'm licensed in Ohio and Kentucky (work in Ky). In both states LPN's take orders, sign off on them, and carry them out. If someone falls, or we get an admission Lpn's do all the paperwork. The RN's are supposed to do a couple of the assessment sheets (rumor has it), but after 5pm, they're gone.
  9. by   Chel
    Quote from xmaxiex
    When I am in the capacity of charge nurse on my LTC unit , I find it humilliating and frustrating that I have to find an RN to sign off on my MD orders , and if we have a fall only they can do the assessment. No wonder they treat us as if we are not " real " nurses.

    OH, and I'd NEVER sign off on an order I didn't hear with my own ears. I learned that the hard way once. Never again.
  10. by   GN1974
    As a matter of fact YES, I do think BSN's should get more compensation for their added time in school! I guess what I didn't realize as an LPN, and some of you don't realize either, is how much work actually is involved in becoming an R.N. I spent many a day and night pouring over algebra and writing English comp papers. I used to think I did the same job and knew as much as an R.N.--I found out pretty quickly!!! The English, Algebra, chem, micro, A & P's, electives, psych, developmental psych, medical ethics, human nutrition are just the tip of ice berg. Many LPN's didn't even make it past the micro at my community college--it was to tough they said (many of us did make it also). The added in depth nursing courses were tough and made me realize all I didn't know. My clinical was from hell ( I did all my generals at my local CC and then did the EC LPN to RN program). The added responsibility of the RN is a big thing. I realize LPN's are licensed but they still are under the direction of the R.N. Before you say RN's are lazy or that you know what they do ask yourself if you have taken this course work...if not then you can't validate your opinion because you have not stood on both sides of the fence. Do not tell me you have the same knowledge and scope until you have been in similar shoes. No, LPN's typically don't have all the generals and NO they don't have the added in depth nursing courses. SHeeshhh, you all say RN's are arrogant look at some of your comments that are one sided. Some of us who have been on both sides can make valid claims. I was a CNA 4 years, LPN 10 years, and just graduated ADN. Rather than bicker we need to repect each other. I loved being an LPN. I appreciate those that are BSN's. Personally, I think if you are always saying you do what RN's do, and LPN's work circles around RN's, then you have some insecurity issues. Many an RN can work circles around LPN's too! When people say RN's are the professional nurse, it is absolutely true--look at your nurse practice act. I find that people get upset over things that are true. There are good and bad nurses at all levels! If you are unsatisfied with your scope then hit the books....you will likely find out just the difference then!
    Karen


    Quote from Kelly_the_Great
    Okay, this might be a little fftopic: but..........

    You know something I think is funny? Many of the RNs who say "you're not a professional", ya'll all know th' rest, "you didn't get as much training" yayayayayayayayayaya!!!! These same nurses will say, a BSN shouldn't get paid more than an ADN.

    And what's their excuse????? Because the do the SAME thing!..... (You know kind of like LVNs do except hanging blood and pushing a few different IV meds, maybe makin' supervisory visits too)

    So then we must ask ourselves, "why should I continue with my education???" "Is it going to do me any good???" We hurt our profession by not valuing each and every member of our body (and this is really extreme but I think this includes our nurse aides as well).

    Do many other professions have this same lack of respect for eachother???

    For instance, do you think the following quote encourages continued scholarship or just sounds condescending?

    Originally Posted by purplemania
    yes, you are less qualified to take orders. You chose to be that way when you stopped your education. I am limited by my choices too. Either go back to school or lobby congress to change the laws.


    I'm not so sure I would use this technique to develop a "trusting, nonjudgemental, encouraging" relationship with a patient. Why don't we apply the same principles we use with patients to eachother????

    Isn't that the key to nursing? Isn't that what makes us set apart from all other professions....caring?

    Dunno, I realize I didn't keep this "short". I just don't understand why we don't care for eachother...
  11. by   Kelly_the_Great
    Quote from GN1974
    SHeeshhh, you all say RN's are arrogant look at some of your comments that are one sided. Karen
    Was I being one-sided? Didn't realize that! In fact, I thought I had stressed the importance of respect for nurses at all levels..???

    BTW, I'm in my junior year of a BSN program so I'm kind of familiar with the pre-reqs, got A's in all of 'em, so yeah, I know what all's involved. However, the only difference between me and alot (not all but i assert ALOT) of LVNs who stay LVNs throughout their working career and never get to advance is opportunity.

    I was allowed to go to school (my 1st year of pre-reqs) on my mother's life insurance money. I'm fulfilling a dream (earning a higher degree) she never got to do as an ADN because she had kids she had to raise. I also work, have a family of my own and am mainly paying for school through an academic scholarship (and earned wages) but would've never been given the opportunity to achieve academic success and prove myself without first being able to get my foot through the door.

    Oh yes, I know ppl will say "having kids, etc. shouldn't slow you down, you can do anything if you want it bad enough'" or whatever. But sometimes the most (and this isn't just nothin' - it's the most important job in the world) those ppl can do is take care of their own which might include working 2 jobs and other endless sacrifices just to care for their families.

    Oh well, I've wandered off the subject. The fact is, there should be mutual respect for all levels of nursing and I think mainly that's what most of the LVNs here (on this particular thread) are not feeling - respect.
  12. by   GN1974
    Respect for all levels--I agree. I also will be starting a BSN program this summer at my local university. They have a new on-line program and local clinicals that I can do at my place of employment. Yes, going to school, working, and raising a family is hard. I have 2 kids a teen and a tot. It can be done--but it is sure tough. BTW--have all A's as well. All pre-reqs done including the ones for the BSN program. I took them all at my local CC and was on the president's list every semester, while working. I also graduated ADN with honors. You may know the challenge but not everyone on here does.
    Karen
    Last edit by GN1974 on Apr 26, '05
  13. by   lizscott nurse
    Quote from GN1974
    As a matter of fact YES, I do think BSN's should get more compensation for their added time in school! I guess what I didn't realize as an LPN, and some of you don't realize either, is how much work actually is involved in becoming an R.N. I spent many a day and night pouring over algebra and writing English comp papers. I used to think I did the same job and knew as much as an R.N.--I found out pretty quickly!!! The English, Algebra, chem, micro, A & P's, electives, psych, developmental psych, medical ethics, human nutrition are just the tip of ice berg. Many LPN's didn't even make it past the micro at my community college--it was to tough they said (many of us did make it also). The added in depth nursing courses were tough and made me realize all I didn't know. My clinical was from hell ( I did all my generals at my local CC and then did the EC LPN to RN program). The added responsibility of the RN is a big thing. I realize LPN's are licensed but they still are under the direction of the R.N. Before you say RN's are lazy or that you know what they do ask yourself if you have taken this course work...if not then you can't validate your opinion because you have not stood on both sides of the fence. Do not tell me you have the same knowledge and scope until you have been in similar shoes. No, LPN's typically don't have all the generals and NO they don't have the added in depth nursing courses. SHeeshhh, you all say RN's are arrogant look at some of your comments that are one sided. Some of us who have been on both sides can make valid claims. I was a CNA 4 years, LPN 10 years, and just graduated ADN. Rather than bicker we need to repect each other. I loved being an LPN. I appreciate those that are BSN's. Personally, I think if you are always saying you do what RN's do, and LPN's work circles around RN's, then you have some insecurity issues. Many an RN can work circles around LPN's too! When people say RN's are the professional nurse, it is absolutely true--look at your nurse practice act. I find that people get upset over things that are true. There are good and bad nurses at all levels! If you are unsatisfied with your scope then hit the books....you will likely find out just the difference then!
    Karen

    Goodness gracious! Someone isn't reading all the posts.

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