LPN vs RN - serious question about differences

  1. 4 I know this is a touchy subject and I don't want it to become a flame war. As someone with RN training and no LPN experience, I'm still honestly confused by these two different nurse licenses.... so here goes...

    Many say "a nurse is a nurse" but that's not always the case. There is different designation and licensing for RNs and LPNs. And facilities often advertise "LPN openings" - but if a nurse is a nurse, why would they ever advertise for just LPNs? Wouldn't it just be a nursing job which either an LPN or RN could fill? And then other positions would be RN-only.

    Unless an RN has been an LPN, it IS confusing to RNs what LPNs are and aren't legally qualified to do and why they aren't legally qualified to do certain things yet often function in an almost identical role RNs (eg only can't do initial assessments and hang blood in acute care). We all know that many LPNs have great assessment skills and technical skills and critical thinking skills. A patient wouldn't recognize any difference between a good LPN and a good RN. In that case, "a nurse is a nurse."

    But then what more exactly did the RN learn in their program to allow them to qualify for significantly more pay than LPNs in most facilities? Why ISN'T an LPN allowed to do an initial assessment or hang blood? It wouldn't take that much extra formal training to bring them formally up to speed on these tasks and include that in their scope of practice. So what more does the RN education have to offer in regard to actually practicing nursing in most settings?
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  4. Visit  RNDreamer profile page
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    Just subscribing to this thread, very interested to see the answers, opinions,etc to your interesting questions...not a nurse yet so the only thing I would be able to contribute are guesses...my only questions to the OP is when you say facilites are you only referring to hospitals or are you also including nursing homes, home health, etc? To everyone else, I am interested in what kind of classes are the LPNs missing that prevent them from being able to do the initial assessments in hospitals?
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  5. Visit  classicdame profile page
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    The scope of practice for both RN's and LVN's is determined by the state in which they practice. LVN's do not receive the same level of education as RN's. The pharmacology and math even differs. In my state the RN must do the initial full assessment, design the plan of care (including teaching) and may start IV's. The LVN does a focused assessment, carries out the plan of care and needs certification from their employer before starting IV's (or whatever the facility policy calls for). On the floor the LVN and RN may have similar duties, but the RN has more responsibility. Until I got the extra education I did not see the difference either, but believe me, there is plenty of difference in the education and in expectations.
    sallyrnrrt, xoemmylouox, RNnLTC, and 1 other like this.
  6. Visit  ohmeowzer RN profile page
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    i am a LPN 21 years and just graduated with my RN . i always thought there was no difference between RN and LPN. I was very wrong. there is a big difference( which was a surprise to me) .. the critical thinking skills and the responsibiltiy of the job. i had to learn a whole new way of thinking being a RN student. which i why i took kaplan to try to change my thinking into RN mode. i loved being a LPN for all those years , but i wasn't able to do all for my patients that i wanted to be able to do being a LPN, such as pushes, hanging blood, hanging other meds beside antibotics. i came to a point in my career that i wanted more. it took me 5 years to get my degree , but i did and now i am just waiting on my att for my boards.... sorry i rambled
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  7. Visit  allantiques4me profile page
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    Try to refer to your states nurse practice act.They describe the legal differences between LPN and RN
    kids and Jules A like this.
  8. Visit  Melody48_MSNEd profile page
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    I have been an LPN for 10 years and I have just completed my ASN, waiting for my ATT as well. In Florida where I work as an LPN I can do IV pushes, hang blood, the blood just has to be checked off with a RN. My scope of practice is only very slightly limited. But as an RN my options are more wide open! I can work in ANY area of the hopsital instead of now. I am more marketable
    LindaMarkman and xoemmylouox like this.
  9. Visit  nursemike profile page
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    I work with some LPNs who have much more nursing experience than I do. I joke that my "delegation" consists of asking the LPN what she wants me to do, and doing it. But our Nurse Practice Act states differently, and of course that's the law. Still, I'd be stupid if I didn't work collaboratively with these very good nurses.
    My workplace actually prefers RNs, and my unit especially has fairly limited openings for LPNs because a number of our beds have to be assigned to RNs. I would imagine the only reason an LPN would ever be prefered is money--at my facility, a starting RN makes almost twice what an LPN does.
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  10. Visit  danielleRN76 profile page
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    I was an LPN for 7 yrs before becoming an RN and I never really thought there was much difference until I was an RN. My education was much deeper and my critical thinking was amazingly different once an RN. I was a darn good LPN, but I was more task oriented, where as now I see the big picture, can see more of the deeper issues and underlying conditions and how they relate to the here and now of a pt's status. It's also a very legal issue, accountability and responsibilty and so on.
  11. Visit  jjjoy profile page
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    So, for those of you who worked as LPNs and then became RNs, looking back, would you make any changes to LPN training or to the LPN role to more clearly distinguish between the two roles and responsibilities?

    Can you point out any specific aspects of the RN program that especially brought home the differences you now perceive?
    Last edit by jjjoy on Jun 15, '07
  12. Visit  danielleRN76 profile page
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    That's a hard question. I also had 7 yrs maturing that I did in general between the two. I also worked in long term care for the first 4 years, switching to acute care about the time I started back to school for my RN. I do wish the differences were more clearly defined. I recently had to precept a new grad LPN, and even with my experience as an LPN, it was tought to know what she could and couldn't do. (Each hopsital has specific rules as well as statewide rules.)
  13. Visit  Dental Hygienist profile page
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    Hi. I'm just "reviving" this thread because I was about to start one that is very similar.

    My questions: What is the typical training of a LPN? I know it varies state to state and program to program, but is it generally 1 year, 2 years? If it is 2 years, I cannot understand why someone wouldn't just do a ADN program? Unless it is just the competativeness to get in?

    It is my understanding that LPNs make less money and must be supervised by RNs; is this true?

    I searched nursing jobs as part of my career research and was surprised to find that many jobs posted a starting pay for LPNs of let's say $19 an hour, but for a RN applying for the same position maybe $23 an hour....it this pretty normal that for (seemingly) the exact same position a RN would get paid more just by virtue of being a RN?

    Also, can LPNs work alone on a shift, or does there always have to be a RN to "supervise" them? I know it all varies state by state but I'm just looking for general information here.

    Thanks, and I mean no disrespect to either profession by my questions, I sincerely do not comprehend the difference other than title and pay.
  14. Visit  Ms Kylee profile page
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    In my state, the scope of practice of an LPN is more bedside care. They cannot hang blood, push IVs, titrate drugs, or hang chemo. There is some talk of by the time I graduate (2009) then LPNs will be permitted to push IVs. I don't believe this will happen, seeing how it took the state practically forever to give Nurse Practitioners the ability to write limited prescriptions while a Physician Assistant could (and the NP has more education. Go figure.)

    My goal has always been to be an RN. However, most universities and RN programs have daylight programs and I couldn't get things to work around my schedule. The LPN program here has a part time night/weekend program, which is why I applied there. (The program stinks BTW, but that's a whole other thread).

    Hopefully, once I get my LPN, I'll be able to get an evening or weekend job that will allow me to get my RN.
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  15. Visit  pagandeva2000 profile page
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    I do believe that the training and critical thinking skills differ between the two, and I was able to see it when I was in LPN school and my best friend was in the RN program in the same school. We were both taking Maternal Health and Pediatrics at the same time, but when she offered to share her notes with me, I saw a major difference in the text, assessments and her frame of thought.

    My state (New York) does not require that we be IV certified or to hang blood, but it can be a requirement for the facility that we work for to do so. However, we cannot hang blood independently; we must sign off with an RN.

    I do think that there should be a clearer scope of practice in a sense, because it is ambigious to me, and plenty of times, in my clinic, I was the first to interview a new patient in our clinic, where it should be an RN. I think that I function better as an LPN because there is something about being the person to make the final decision in regards to nursing care that clearly makes me uncomfortable. I am cool where I am. But, I have also seen many RNs do things that are clearly wrong. And what makes it a funny place for LPNs to be in is that we work under the auspice of an RN, however, we have a license of our own, and are expected to make a nursing judgement of some sorts. What makes it difficult is when the RN who is dead wrong may attempt to force us to do something that we know is clearly incorrect.


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