LPN-RN partnership in nursing-a gentle reminder - page 7

A Gentle Reminder..... Hello RN, it's me LPN. (Not JLPN..JUST an LPN.) Don't look behind you, I'm not there. Don't look down, I'm not there either. Look beside you, that's where I am. We're on... Read More

  1. by   UCLARN
    I second that!!! If all you needed to take care of patients effectively was by having 10% nursing knowledge and 90% common sense, we could become nurses not in 4 years but 1 month!! Boy that was silly...


    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    I certainly disagree- signed former CNA, then LPN, now RN.
    Originally Posted by LPN4Life
    ....Nursing is 10% knowledge and 90% common sense.....
  2. by   LPN4Life
    Quote from UCLARN
    I second that!!! If all you needed to take care of patients effectively was by having 10% nursing knowledge and 90% common sense, we could become nurses not in 4 years but 1 month!! Boy that was silly...



    Originally Posted by LPN4Life
    ....Nursing is 10% knowledge and 90% common sense.....
    Well obviously you have the knowledge or you wouldn't have graduated nursing school..............
    What that statement means, is that when your out there on the floor or in any given situation, YES you have to have knowledge, but if you lack common sense to go along with your knowledge then what good does your knowledge do you?

    I was reading a post by Hello Nurse, the one that said she totally disagreed with my statement, on another thread, something about one of your worst experiences as a nurse, she was an LPN at the time, and the RN was sleeping when the pt needed pain meds, then the RN went out to smoke first before giving the pain meds...........Sure the nurse had the knowledge to know that Prioritizing, a pt comes before a nap or a smoke break at work, and I bet she had the knowledge to even know how to pass that med, or assess that patient, but where is her common sense in this situation?

    NO.....I sure didn't mean that you only learn 10% knowledge, that is silly.............
  3. by   NursesRmofun
    Quote from lpn4life
    well as an lpn that is an adon to a 160 bed facility, does mds's careplans, staffing, nursing supply, infection control, behavior management, among other numerous tasks, and have been told by nursing consultants that my grasp on the rai process is far better than some rn's they have worked with, i'd say it applies in my personal situation.

    signed former wal-mart cashier, bath aide, cna, lpn/adon
    i would say that the statement that "nursing is 10% knowledge and 90% common sense" is still wrong, imo. you are obviously self-educated or otherwise educated (maybe by on the job training?) to some degree. it is not just common sense that is backing up your ability to carry through with your responsibilities, as far as i'm concerned....no matter what you may say to the contrary. not trying to be argumentative...but some things just don't make sense.

    signed,
    liza, ex-cna, ex-lpn, rn
    Last edit by NursesRmofun on Jul 20, '04 : Reason: typos
  4. by   LPN4Life
    Quote from nursesrmofun
    i would say that the statement that "nursing is 10% knowledge and 90% common sense" is still wrong, imo. you are obviously self-educated or otherwise educated (maybe by on the job training?) to some degree. it is not just common sense that is backing up your ability to carry through with your responsibilities, as far as i'm concerned....no matter what you may say to the contrary. not trying to be argumentative...but some things just don't make sense.

    signed,
    liza, ex-cna, ex-lpn, rn
    i never said that it was just common sense that was backing up your ability to carry through with your responsibilities.
    but when someone is lacking common sense, their knowledge alone isn't going to get them through carrying out their responsibilities either.
    as a nursing student, my patient's bs was staying in the upper 400's, the doctor, his nurse couldn't figure out what was going on with him, even as a student, that had very little knowledge at this point, and hardly any experience, i noticed that his iv abt was being hung with dextrose. common sense stuff.
    assessing a patient requires knowledge, but pulling it all together and figuring out what to do with that res, and what the problem is, requires common sense.
    i never try to be arguementitive on this board, and certainly don't think that anyone that disagrees with my post is arguing with me, its an opinion, and whether people disagree with it or not, it still remains my opinion.
    only a harmless discussion.....
  5. by   Chevelle
    "you can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world, but when you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird... so let's look at the bird and see what it's doing -- that's what counts. i learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something."
    richard feynman (1918 - 1988)
    Last edit by Chevelle on Jul 20, '04
  6. by   UCLARN
    I would think that the nurse in your example exercised bad judgement versus having no common sense. Don't you think... silly...


    Quote from LPN4Life
    Well obviously you have the knowledge or you wouldn't have graduated nursing school..............
    What that statement means, is that when your out there on the floor or in any given situation, YES you have to have knowledge, but if you lack common sense to go along with your knowledge then what good does your knowledge do you?

    I was reading a post by Hello Nurse, the one that said she totally disagreed with my statement, on another thread, something about one of your worst experiences as a nurse, she was an LPN at the time, and the RN was sleeping when the pt needed pain meds, then the RN went out to smoke first before giving the pain meds...........Sure the nurse had the knowledge to know that Prioritizing, a pt comes before a nap or a smoke break at work, and I bet she had the knowledge to even know how to pass that med, or assess that patient, but where is her common sense in this situation?

    NO.....I sure didn't mean that you only learn 10% knowledge, that is silly.............
  7. by   1BlessedRN
    Quote from leesonlpn
    A Gentle Reminder.....


    Hello RN, it's me LPN. (Not JLPN..JUST an LPN.) Don't look behind you, I'm not there. Don't look down, I'm not there either. Look beside you, that's where I am.
    We're on the same team. I help you, you help me, and together we get it done. Vitals need to be taken.If I'm busy, and you have time,you can take them. Putting a patient on a commode is not strictly an LPN duty, nor an RN duty - it is a nursing duty. Emptying commodes is a nursing duty. Please do not leave them in the room, hallway, or service room for me to do. Stool gatherer, urine collector, sputum catcher, yes I am, as you are. If you don't know which container, ask me, and I'll show you. There will be things I'll want to ask you too. Don't roll your eyes, or become impatient with me. No one knows everything. I have things I must get done too. My nursing duties are just as important as yours. I have things to chart, assessments to do. I have my own governing body and standards of practice, to which I hold myself accountable.. Please don't ask me to do something just because you'd rather not do it yourself. That's not what LPN's are for. Besides, it's not fair. I love nursing and I hope you do too. When LPN's and RN's work together it's a wonderful nursing partnership, and a very productive team. So come and work with me, .........
    Partner.

    LoVe It well said!!!
  8. by   NursesRmofun
    Quote from LPN4Life
    ..snip..I never said that it was just common sense that was backing up your ability to carry through with your responsibilities.....
    I don't remember saying you did either. LOL. I just said that I do not agree with the "Nursing is 10% knowledge and 90% common sense" theory of one of the posters. I strongly disagree. And, yes, it is a discussion. I agree with that too.

    Also, common sense is something totally different than knowledge and rationale...
    Anybody can have common sense in some areas, but not everybody has the knowledge to deal with *some* situations.
  9. by   1BlessedRN
    Quote from LPN4Life
    Well as an LPN that is an ADON to a 160 bed facility, does MDS's careplans, staffing, nursing supply, infection control, behavior management, among other numerous tasks, and have been told by nursing consultants that my grasp on the RAI process is far better than some RN's they have worked with, I'd say it applies in my personal situation.

    Signed former Wal-mart cashier, bath aide, CNA, LPN/ADON
    I didn't know LPN's can be ADON especially in LTC, I guess it is different from state to state but it is not allowed here. I learn more on these threads daily
  10. by   DebP
    So, does anyone know what happened to poor little Mito? Or did she finally enter the real world and get a well-deserved butt-kicking? Please tell me she didn't come South!


    re: the post that started this all. AMEN!!

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