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Do LPNs Get the Respect They Deserve? - page 3

ok, well, i am a pre-nursing student. i am waiting to see if i get accepted to an lpn program right now. i later plan on finishing up and getting my degree after i have worked as an lpn for awhile.... Read More

  1. Visit  NursesRmofun profile page
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    Quote from Dixiedi
    Actually yes I am saying the LPNs from my school get more nursing education than the ADN nurses in my community, at least at that time. The hospital school of PN I went to no longer exsists so I have no way of judging any more. When I went to LPN school, there was also a community based school with an LPN program. I do not believe I could be convinced they got the same level of quality education I got.
    Sorry, but I don't think you are qualified to judge the RN program since you did not actually go through that program, or at least not all of it. It just doesn't make sense that the LPN program would contain more nursing education. I understand that in a BSN program there are some courses that are not totally nursing oriented. BSN grads get a more rounded education. You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not make it fact...especially since you did not go through both programs. I have. I was a LPN for 13 years. I was a good LPN. But I did learn some things in my RN program and was then qualified to take the RN boards.
    I am not trying to take away from any LPN's intelligence or ability to teach themselves by reading and going to training/inservices and giving the benefit of good experience as a teacher. Truth is, the education is not the same. The license is not the same. Good luck with your classes.
    Last edit by NursesRmofun on May 9, '04 : Reason: typo
  2. Visit  Dixiedi profile page
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    [QUOTE=NursesRmofun]Sorry, but I don't think you are qualified to judge the RN program since you did not actually go through that program, ...

    Isn't that part of the debate. Yes, we are thumping on that dead horse again. hehehe But it's all opinion. I have mine and I am entitled to it.
    I have worked many years and met many nurses. There are some at all stages of the licensing options that I wouldn't allow to change a cats' litter box. Others that I would trust my life with.

    You learn what you want to learn. The school and the license you are "qualified" to sit for can only judge what your minimum knowlege is.

    Thanks for seeing that!
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    [QUOTE=Dixiedi]
    Quote from NursesRmofun
    Sorry, but I don't think you are qualified to judge the RN program since you did not actually go through that program, ...

    Isn't that part of the debate. Yes, we are thumping on that dead horse again. hehehe But it's all opinion. I have mine and I am entitled to it.
    I have worked many years and met many nurses. There are some at all stages of the licensing options that I wouldn't allow to change a cats' litter box. Others that I would trust my life with.

    You learn what you want to learn. The school and the license you are "qualified" to sit for can only judge what your minimum knowlege is.

    Thanks for seeing that!
    Yes. I think we can agree on some things! There are good and bad in every profession. And you do need to get certain education to qualify for the boards....which then test you for having at least a minimum knowledge base. But part of the debate (IMO) is really not if you, as a LPN, are qualified to judge a RN program when you haven't been through one....Not to me. I wouldn't expect a CNA or Med. tech. to legitimately critique a LPN program. If and when you are a RN, and you have gone through what you had to to get there...time, money, studying, and sweating it out, I think you will see that you did learn (even if just a little more than you thought you would) and you will see things differently. That is also my opinion. Haha. Best wishes! Who will get the last word? LOL! :chuckle
    Last edit by NursesRmofun on May 9, '04 : Reason: typo
  4. Visit  Dixiedi profile page
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    Quote from NursesRmofun
    ...... If and when you are a RN, and you have gone through what you had to to get there...time, money, studying, and sweating it out, I think you will see that you did learn (even if just a little more than you thought you would) and you will see things differently. That is also my opinion. Haha. Best wishes! Who will get the last word? LOL! :chuckle
    Only thing I disagree with there is ... I never have sweat it out. No reason to. Read it, do it. I am very lucky there. Got a brain like a trap. Yes, I know I am very lucky. I know many people who have had to study, study, study.
    I DO however have to sweat out the financing. Will I be able to come up with what I need when I need it... (3 college age boys) They are why I had to quit years ago when my first hubby died and I had to raise the boys alone.

    I will give to your opinion that until I have completed a course I can not fully judge that program. But... I won't give n the mathmatics. 2 9 month school years, nearly 1/2 spent in courses that may help with the nursing courses < 12 months in nursing courses.

    Have a great day, I have to get some laundry done... Reality.
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    Quote from Dixiedi
    Only thing I disagree with there is ... I never have sweat it out. No reason to. Read it, do it. I am very lucky there. Got a brain like a trap. Yes, I know I am very lucky. I know many people who have had to study, study, study.
    I DO however have to sweat out the financing. Will I be able to come up with what I need when I need it... (3 college age boys) They are why I had to quit years ago when my first hubby died and I had to raise the boys alone.

    I will give to your opinion that until I have completed a course I can not fully judge that program. But... I won't give n the mathmatics. 2 9 month school years, nearly 1/2 spent in courses that may help with the nursing courses < 12 months in nursing courses.

    Have a great day, I have to get some laundry done... Reality.
    I hope you can come back here and say it was all easy! You deserve that....It sounds like you have had your share of *hard times.* Yes, you are lucky to be someone who retains easily. Happy Laundry doing! Email me sometime and let me know how you are doing.
  6. Visit  nursbee04 profile page
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    Quote from Dixiedi
    When I went to LPN school, preadmission testing required collegiate level scores in the humanities, sciences and English. Then we spent 12 months studying nursing courses. We used the same text books a couple of the RN programs in town were using for at least two of our courses. (one was Good Samaritan Hospital Diploma Program and the other was the University of Cincinati BSN program)
    The ADN program in town offers 2 school years of classes. 9 months each. 1/2 of that is spent in ... what? the same things my school required us to test in before admission. Who got more nursing education? (I won't even go into the sorry excuse the ADN and BSN programs have for clinical experience when compared to our LPN program!)
    Here's how my CC ADN Program works:

    First you must finish the prereqs: anat & phys 1&2, composition, micro, prob and stat, adult and child psych, etc. Takes most ppl 1-2 years. Then you apply to the ADN program, which takes two years to complete. This is two years of STRICTLY NSG EDUCATION and clinical time - nothing else.

    To the OP, there are plenty of opportunities out there for LPNs - and remember to be proud that you will be a NURSE, just like any other LPN or RN.
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    Quote from nursbee04
    Here's how my CC ADN Program works:

    First you must finish the prereqs: anat & phys 1&2, composition, micro, prob and stat, adult and child psych, etc. Takes most ppl 1-2 years. Then you apply to the ADN program, which takes two years to complete. This is two years of STRICTLY NSG EDUCATION and clinical time - nothing else.

    To the OP, there are plenty of opportunities out there for LPNs - and remember to be proud that you will be a NURSE, just like any other LPN or RN.
    I said when I went to school. My point is that there is not as great a difference in LPNs and RNs as many think there is. Yes, it has apparently changed and I would hope that ALL diploma/degree programs did.
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    Quote from Dixiedi
    I said when I went to school. My point is that there is not as great a difference in LPNs and RNs as many think there is. Yes, it has apparently changed and I would hope that ALL diploma/degree programs did.
    I guess I mistook your post.
    I read this part:
    Quote from Dixiedi
    The ADN program in town offers 2 school years of classes. 9 months each. 1/2 of that is spent in ... what?
    as present tense.
    I shouldn't have posted so late in the game anyway.
    Sorry!
  9. Visit  Dixiedi profile page
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    The one thing that really gets my goat is the ANA speaks for nurses. THey ignore LPNs or refer to us as if we are good for little more than emptying a bedpan.

    Our education, experience and desire to be great nurses is ignored.

    As LPNs we need to speak up! We need to push the NLPN to become more active in politics, particularly where the BON for each state is concerned. THe problem seems to stem from the fact that there are more RNs than LPNS and we all know how this country works, the one with the biggest mouth is the one and only one heard. Why would RNS want (the ANA) to allow us the opportunities we deserve and maybe loose a job or two for their own.
  10. Visit  Nursing N 2004 profile page
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    hey..i am in my last semester of the lpn program and i have to say, most that i come into contact to, no offense to rn's and up, but they always have an attitude, like we do not learn enough or etc. i just blow it off, because our instructors (all rn's w/ bsn's or msn's one is a physicians assistant) state that we are going to have almost as much knowledge as they do. our nurse practice act just states what we are allowed to do. i understand that over time, we will learn alot more, and continuing onto rn that we will know even more......but this is not any reason to give us the shaft. i believe that all nurses should be estatic to see new nurses, or nursing students-----less patients for them due to the shortage! all i can say is.....keep your head up...remember the cause!!!

    just thought i would add my 2 cents good luck!

    michelle
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  11. Visit  Dixiedi profile page
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    the question shouold not be who has the most education but rather is everybody's education good enough to perform!

    i know lpns right out of school that are tons more prepared than a variety of rns right out of school. again, it's not the price one pays for their education but the knowledge that individual extracts from that education.

    there is no reason why an lpn can not assess a patient. there is no reason why an lpn can not hang blood products. there is no reason why an lpn can not hang tpn. there is no reason why an lpn.... these physiological [font='times new roman']consequences of each of these tasks is taught to lpns and they need to be... the rn will often run in spike the bag and leave. it's the lpn performing the nursing care and observation needed, not the rn that spiked the bag. same goes for iv push meds. the rn pushes and moves on, the lpn cares for and observes. and lpns do need to know what to do if "things" fail to go as planned. if lpns didn't, they never would have passed boards and never would have passed the napnes exam.

    it's simply a way for the system to keep the lpns down.
  12. Visit  nurseunderwater profile page
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    Dixiedi - when I first came to this board i posted this thread....http://allnurses.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59993
    oh what to do??? what to do.

    xxoo
    Kate
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    hi guys... mod calling...

    just letting you all know...
    I'm going to cut this thread at or around 50 posts... its been hashed, and rehashed very many times. The horse has been kicked...

    seriously though... it is an intriguing discussion, but, its been done between each and every level of nursing since they started-- may it be LPN vs ADN, ADN vs BSN, BSN vs MSN, MSN vs NP, NP vs PA vs MD. (yes, the last three are grouped.)

    thank you.
    Last edit by Yeti1313LPN on May 19, '04

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