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I am a new grad LVN, got my license a couple months ago, and yeah- the job market is dry out there. But I answered a Craigslist ad looking for an on-call LVN for a pediatric home care position, and got an interview, which was with the mom. Although she has agency nurses, she also hires extra private duty nurses that are paid for through a trust. She didn't hire me at first but told me I was next in line. Then a couple weeks later she called saying she needed a fill-in and asked if I could come in and train for an overnight shift, and then work the next overnight shift on my own (she would be home, but I'd be the only LVN).

I was SOOOOO excited. But as the night when on I got pretty concerned. I didn't have access to the chart and all med and treatment orders and feedings were on printed paper in the kitchen in list form (not actually the Dr. order or care plan from the RN). The med bottles had the Rx info on them, but there were things that were not clearly prescribed (supplements, herbals, etc). There are also several resp. treatments, and there is a g-tube . The child is stable, not on vent or anything, but still- I didn't feel comfortable doing anything that was only being relayed to me through the typed up lists, another LVN and the mom. I have to be working under the direction of an RN or MD right? I at least wanted to be able to look up certain things.

Also, the LVN that trained me relayed to me that they break up some of the pills into smaller amounts than they are scored or prescribed. Also, she set up all the meds for the whole night at the beginning of the shift, in 30ml cups on the counter. There were other things she mentioned that were "gray area" in her words. I didn't want to be some hypervigilant know-it-all, so I didn't say much, but I was thinking to myself, OMG this is my first job, I don't want to lose my license before I even get started. The whole place is on camera, too. She suggested making sure I was aware where the cameras are placed when administering the off-doses and things like melatonin (so Im guessing that one is not prescribed by the doc.....)

I know that most likely, nothing would ever happen if I gave him a vitamin that wasn't prescribed, but it just doesnt feel right. So I let the mom know that I could not do any procedures or meds without a Dr order, but Id be happy to be there as an overnight caregiver if she needed the shift filled. She declined, because she said that he needed so many meds throughout the night, she would have to get up anyway. She also stated that no other nurse had ever asked to see Dr.'s orders, and she felt that I was ill-informed. Of course, some of her nurses are through the agency, so they have access to the chart.

Did I do the right thing by acting within my scope of practice, or did I get too skiddish and blow a great opportunity get started as an LVN??? Should I have just shown up for the shift, and then just laid it out for the mom (ex. "Ok i/ll give these meds, but only the time/amount on the bottle, not the differing amounts on the typed up list. and I cant give the suppositories or herbals unless I can read a dr order for those, maybe its in the chart, would you like me to look it up", etc)

Maybe in a way the LVN scared me off by mentioning things like the mom threatening to write to the board about people, and trying to convince the nurse to give some things by mouth even though he is NPO (according to the nurse, since I never saw the chart). I guess it made me feel like I might as well let her know before coming in, because she may really not want anyone who isnt going to do it "the way its done there" type thing. So, the end result is that I did not go in for the night, and she did let me know that she was not able to get the shift covered with only about 8 hours notice. I do feel horrible about that- but at the same time, if you are hiring a brand new nurse with one day of training, doesn't it behoove you to have a back up nurse in case it doesnt work out? what if she didnt like me? And, the reason i had been called in the first place was because she couldnt get that night covered with the 5-6 nurses she already has on staff. So I feel bad about that part but not guilty about it.

Opinions?? Suggestions on how I could have handled things differently? Similar experiences??? I welcome your input.

I am so sad that I had to turn this job down :(

The public can purchase copies of the practice acts and they can inquire of the boards, just like anyone who holds a license.

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OP, you did the right thing. I have many years of experience, and even I would have run away. The mom reminds me of some parents I have met. As I sat there listening to them talk, all these alarm bells were going off in my head. You should have had access to the patients chart, careplan, and all the info needed to care for her child.

Please also remember when working for a company or through the agency you are covered by their insurance. If you take a job doing independent private nursing, you are there as a LICENSED nurse and if something goes wrong not only are you risking your license but mom can sue you personally. The other advantage of working for an agency is you always have case managers to sort through med discrepancies. Our agency would never allow the med sheets and bottles not to match. One last piece of advice, I would recommend working in a facility of some sort for 6 months to a year before doing home care. Usually in home care you are alone with the patient and you will need experience. A lot of people think home care is easy because it's one on one, however, just one example-I was alone with a vent dependent 4 year old and he coded on me. I had cell phone in one hand talking to 911, other hand I had to take him off the vent and bag (not to mention stop when paramedics came to unlock door). Hope this helps you. You will be a great nurse!

Please also remember when working for a company or through the agency you are covered by their insurance. If you take a job doing independent private nursing, you are there as a LICENSED nurse and if something goes wrong not only are you risking your license but mom can sue you personally. The other advantage of working for an agency is you always have case managers to sort through med discrepancies. Our agency would never allow the med sheets and bottles not to match. One last piece of advice, I would recommend working in a facility of some sort for 6 months to a year before doing home care. Usually in home care you are alone with the patient and you will need experience. A lot of people think home care is easy because it's one on one, however, just one example-I was alone with a vent dependent 4 year old and he coded on me. I had cell phone in one hand talking to 911, other hand I had to take him off the vent and bag (not to mention stop when paramedics came to unlock door). Hope this helps you. You will be a great nurse!

Thanks! :) I definitely learned my lesson about starting with home care! It's true, I need to hone those clinical skills. I did good in school academically, but nothing replaces experience when it comes to actually performing the tasks related to nursing care. And I will benefit from having a mentor. I can see how an agency can also serve as a barrier between you and the patient, when there is a disagreement about what should be performed or how, you have a manager to report to who can mediate, instead of having tension with the family.

Well, I will chalk this experience up to LESSONS LEARNED! :)

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