Did anyone who Graduated from Excelsior College had problems when trying. - page 3

Hello, I've just sent in my first payment to start taking classes from Excelsior to get my ADN. When I called the school where I got my LPN, I was told by the director that Colleges are not... Read More

  1. by   kimlpn
    I just called the board for CA and the above info is NOT correct. If you are an ENROLLED student on or before December 6, 2003 then you are fine and can sit for boards upon completion of the program as long as you were enrolled on or before this date and remain actively enrolled until completion of the program...hence you will be allowed to sit for boards and get licensed. Now if you enrolled after this date you will have to go by new rules set forth for Excelsior including clinical hours. At this time Excelsior can't offer what is required there fore Excelsior stopped allowing Ca students to enroll after Dec. 6, 2003. Got the word right from the horses mouth...anyone enrolled on or before 12/06/03 can get licensed when they complete the program.
    Kim
  2. by   elkpark
    The reason why so many distance learning programs offer RN-BSN programs and so few offer LPN-RN or basic RN programs is because EVERY state requires that you have a certain number of supervised clinical hours (the actual number varies from state to state) in your educational program to be eligible to write the NCLEX-RN in that state. So, distance programs that would offer entry RN programs have to figure out some way to assist you to get those hours (which is not easy).

    NLN accreditation is optional; but nursing programs must be accredited, or recognized, or whatever it's called in a particular state, by the state BON for you to be eligible to write the NCLEX.

    It's always safest, if there are any questions, to just ask the BON in the state you're in (or going to), since their answer is the only one that really matters, anyway!
  3. by   kids
    Quote from kimlpn
    I just called the board for CA and the above info is NOT correct. If you are an ENROLLED student on or before December 6, 2003 then you are fine and can sit for boards upon completion of the program as long as you were enrolled on or before this date and remain actively enrolled until completion of the program...hence you will be allowed to sit for boards and get licensed. Now if you enrolled after this date you will have to go by new rules set forth for Excelsior including clinical hours. At this time Excelsior can't offer what is required there fore Excelsior stopped allowing Ca students to enroll after Dec. 6, 2003. Got the word right from the horses mouth...anyone enrolled on or before 12/06/03 can get licensed when they complete the program.
    Kim
    Interesting, that is a the direct opposite of what I was told. I think I will call them again and see what I get told today.
  4. by   kimlpn
    I just called them this morning and spoke with them. The man also directed me to their web site and to click under news...it clearly states there that unless you are an enrolled Excelsior student by Dec 6, 03 then the news rules apply, but if you are enrolled and stay enrolled until the completion of the degree program you will be fine to sit for boards. He stated the info you posted above was incorrect. Regardless anyone who wants to know call themselves...get it for yourself right from the source. I did.
    Kim
  5. by   kids
    well that was fun.
    call #1, 10 minutes on hold got me the same lady as yesterday, very cranky that she keeps getting "these kind of calls", and re confirmed what she told me yesterday.
    i read (c&p below) to her what it says on their own website (http://www.rn.ca.gov/news/news.htm) her response was "i am telling you what i was told".
    decision regarding excelsior college
    the california board of registered nursing adopted the following motion at its board meeting on february 6, 2004:

    "the following action supersedes and replaces the december 5, 2003, board action related to excelsior college.

    "excelsior college graduates, like other out-of-state graduates, must meet the requirements set forth in california business and professions code section 2736, including supervised clinical practice concurrent with theory, in order to be eligible for examination and licensure as a california registered nurse. this eligibility requirement applies to students who enrolled at excelsior on or after december 6, 2003."
    call #2 and another 10 minutes on hold got me another lady. she agreed with my observation that there is a lot of conflicting info coming out of the bon. she stated that the web site is correct, students who were enrolled on 12/06/03 will be allowed to complete the program and sit boards but it was her understanding that the rule only applied to california residents and that the things i was told yesterday about out of state licensure by endorcement are still true:

    if you live in outside cali and hold a license in that state based solely on your being an excelsior grad, as of 12/06/03 the cali bon will not issue you a license.

    if you live in another state and hold license based on the education (adn/lpn) at an approved school and then attend excelsior and earn an advanced degree (rn/bsn/msn) as of 12/06/03 the cali bon will only issue you a license based on the lower level degree earned at the approved school.


    i give up. it sounds like the cali bon doesn't really know what is going on either. i will correct my previous post.
    Last edit by kids on Jul 15, '04
  6. by   Dixiedi
    It's really not confusing. Cali has decided Excelsior is not an acredited school. Those student currentlyl enrolled, will be permitted to sit for their boards when they graduate.
    If you go to excelsior, sit for boards in another state and later go to Cali, you will not be considered a graduate of an acreditted school and they will not grant you a license.
    Having a license in one state does not gurantee you a license in another. Never did. Each state has a list of acredited schools. If you school is not on their list, you can not get a license.
  7. by   Sheri257
    This may add to the confusion, but there may be a possibility that both accounts are correct. I agree that the language approved by the board does seem to grandfather in people by December, 2003.

    However, the statute cited in that same board order regarding license qualifications, also says that an applicant must:

    "Have successfully completed the courses of instruction prescribed by the board for licensure, in a program in this state accredited by the board for training registered nurses, or have successfully completed courses of instruction in a school of nursing outside of this state which, in the opinion of the board at the time the application is filed with the Board of Registered Nursing, are equivalent to the minimum requirements of the board for licensure established for an accredited program in this state."

    The key phrase here might be "in the opinion of the board at the time the application is filed."

    Since the board officially determined the EC program does not qualify, they might be able to deny applications, regardless of what the previous order says, since the statute may allow them to do that. The statute may prevail in this case since, afterall, it's the law.

    So this whole thing may boil down to staff discretion, and whether they want to approve the application, or not, on a case by case basis.

    Here's the link, and the quote comes from Section 2736.

    http://www.rn.ca.gov/practact/b&p.htm#2736

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Jul 16, '04
  8. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    [font=Book Antiqua]People have now actually called the California BON, spoken with real people and discovered that what people have been saying about Excelsior College and EC grads all along has been true, and so has what Excelsior College has been saying is true.

    If you were enrolled before December 2003, you can be licensed in California. If not, then not.

    But there might be two positions? And it might be confusing? It's here, it's clear, and anybody who wants to check it out can all the California BON and find out.

    [font=Book Antiqua]
    California Board of Registered Nursing
    400 R St., Ste. 4030
    Sacramento, CA 95814-6239

    Phone: (916) 322-3350
    FAX: (916) 327-4402
    Contact Person: Ruth Ann Terry, MPH, RN, Executive Officer
    Web Site: http://www.rn.ca.gov/
    [font=Book Antiqua]BTW, California didn't decide not to accredit Excelsior College. Google and find out. Here is a nice, clear explanation:

    [font=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT]
    The United States government, unlike many other countries, does not directly approve or accredit higher education programs and schools. The government allows certain agencies to perform accreditation functions. Accreditation is an entirely voluntary process and schools are not required to participate in these agency programs.
    [font=Book Antiqua]Isn't it a shame that we had all this garbage about Excelsior College and graduates slung about this BB, and it turns out it was wrong and we (and the College, incidentally, on their website) were right.

    Last edit by kids on Jul 16, '04
  9. by   ddc101
    i have been getting lots of contact from chancellors.has anyone ever used them and do i need them whatsoever? i currently take classes at lsu but i would love to speed up the process.
  10. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    I don't know that Chancellor's has anything except stuff to support Excelsior College nursing students. That is, to my knowledge, what they have are notes geared to the Nursing Concepts examinations that Excelsior nursing students take.

    If you are attending LSU, a traditional nursing school, I cannot see what use that would be to you, but they may have more than what I know about.

    Insofar as Excelsior College students (of which I am one, for the moment--waiting to graduate) needing Chancellor's, they had nothing that wasn't available for free online.

    If you have finished at least half the clinicals required for your degree, you would be eligible the apply for admission to Excelsior College, and that could hurry you up (it was less than 3 months from the day I took my first exam to my last). However, there is some waiting involved, and it might wind up being just as long on the calendar (or longer) for you to finish, compared to students in your traditional nursing class (as was my experience).

    But I may also have totally misunderstood your question, so if I have missed your point, please clarify....
  11. by   Spazzy Nurse
    Quote from ddc101
    i have been getting lots of contact from chancellors.
    those 3rd parties (chancellor's, rue, college network, excel advantage, etc.) will pester the heck out of lpns. they are companies that are not at all affiliated with excelsior college. yes, you can use them, but you will spend a ton of money going that route, and you will be using study materials made by a company that makes up their study guides by sending their employees in to take ec exams and trying to remember what was on them to make up their study guides. i heard that with my own ears from a rue employee. pretty brilliant, eh?
  12. by   ddc101
    Quote from Spazzy Nurse
    Those 3rd parties (Chancellor's, RUE, College Network, Excel Advantage, etc.) will pester the heck out of LPNs. They are companies that are not at all affiliated with Excelsior College. Yes, you can use them, but you will spend a ton of money going that route, and you will be using study materials made by a company that makes up their study guides by sending their employees in to take EC exams and trying to remember what was on them to make up their study guides. I heard that with my own ears from a RUE employee. Pretty brilliant, eh?
    So in all actuality I could go the straight Excelsior route then? I was wondering.
    And no I am not into the clinical area yet.I am an LPN trying to get all the prerequisites for Fast Track.But I was thinking if I could do distance Ed straight through Excelsior I could work more since I have to pay my own college anyway.
    Thanks.
  13. by   barbiedee
    Amen Chris. Do your homework before committing $$$. I did a lot of research before registering for Excelsior College. There are more states than just California who require additional clinical hours before granting licensure. (I believe they are Illinois, New Hampshire and Georgia. This information was given to me by a study guide company recruiter while I was investigating study options) Education is a big money business, and there are companies and people out there that will take advantage of anyone with a chequebook or credit card. So it really is "buyer beware". Do research on websites like this, read postings about schools and service providers. Don't just believe everything you see on a company's website. (we won't name any names.) A few hours researching can save you tons of money, time and frustration!

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