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Jan 16, 2009 02:16 AM

What to do after SEC assessment?

by AVKON

Hello to everyone.

I am a Registered Nurse in the Philippines with one year experience in the Operating Room and 3 months experience in the General Medical/Surgical ward (prior to being assigned in the OR). I have filed my application with CRNBC and I have done my IELTS already.

Last week, I received a letter from CRNBC stating that for CRNBC to continue assessing my application, I must take a SEC assessment test (nursinginbc.ca).

My original plan was to apply for a Work Permit/BC PNP after I get my job offer after CRNBC states that I am eligible to write the CRNE. However, since CRNBC will not be able to assess me until I take the SEC, my plan is now all messed up.

I know what the SEC is about, what worries me is how to go about this. Obviously, I will have to go to Canada sometime this year (my deadline is Dec. 10, 2009) and take my SEC, probably on a Tourist Visa. What to do AFTER the SEC assessment is what bothers me. Kwantlen U. said it will take them 3-8 weeks to release my results, and CRNBC sait it will take them 1-2 months to assess the results. If I fail, I would have to take some coursework and retake the SEC, if I pass I would then be eligible to write the CRNE. The timeframe between CRNBC assessing my results and, assuming I pass, declare that I am qualified to write the CRNE is vague.

So why is this troublesome? Obviously, I will have to STAY in BC while I wait out how all these events work out. Going back home to the Philippines would not be financially sound; I cannot imagine going back and forth to Canada without putting my family into serious debt. So I am stuck in Canada WITHOUT work for AT LEAST 3 months.

To IENs who have to take the SEC, what are your plans? What do you plan to do as you wait out the results of this process?

To CRNBC and other regulating bodies, I know why you have to do this, but would it not be better if SEC were offered OUTSIDE Canada as well? Or maybe somewhere else along the application process, maybe after getting 350+ hours of supervised work? Do you know you are asking IENs to travel to Canada to take the SEC without secure employment or even permission to work? Please know that the fare alone to Canada is no small change for those of us in developing countries, at least assuring us that this can be a ONE TIME expense with work at the end of the line for us to pay off unavoidable debts would be a step in the right direction.

To immigration and visa experts, what do I have to do to be able to find and do work in Canada for these months? Can I apply for a Work Permit when I have an employer? Obviously I cannot work in the hospital, but any work for proper pay is fine, so long as the work (and my stay) is legal and the pay is proper. If I need to do coursework, will I have to appy for a Student Visa as well?

Thank you very much for your time.


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No. 1
from Maezando
Old Jan 16, 2009, 03:39 AM

Default Re: What to do after SEC assessment?
Here's what others are talking , i'm not sure , but i'm researching on it as well........ .

Q: What do you think about 1 to 5 day free SEC assessment by third party ? .
A: They will check if you can study or not , if you can, then you'll end up paying for their expensive courses after that ;-). A very classic marketing strategy. .

Q: Why do we have to pay $200 ++ hard cash in advanced ? .
A: So that they can send you letter of eligibility to go for SEC assessment. .

Q: Who are eligible for CRNE ? .
A: As for the IEN , usually person with no experience. If you have some experience , be prepare to go for SEC. Other words, you must not have any experience if you want to be eligible for CRNE in 3 monts time. .
Check out " How to become an RN in British Columbia" thread . .
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No. 2
from AVKON
Old Jan 16, 2009, 03:42 AM
Updated Jan 16, 2009 at 03:14 PM by janfrn

Default Re: What to do after SEC assessment?
Yeah, I read that thread. Breech is **** lucky!

So *****' what if the SEC is free? I'd rather pay $200 to Kwantlen U. if CRNBC shoulders my roundtrip airfare as well as my board and food expenses for the duration of my SEC assessment. I gotta wake up now.
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No. 3
from RN_Canada
Old Jan 16, 2009, 02:56 PM

Default Re: What to do after SEC assessment?
Kwantlen U. said it will take them 3-8 weeks to release my results,
Tell Kwantlen that is not acceptable. I work there and I cannot imagine WHY it would take this long....

Just so that everyone knows WHY the SEC was put in place. The employers were hiring Internationally educated nurses who had passed the CRNE but were not successful in the workplace.

This has a lot to do with the context of nursing in Canada not just "how to care for a patient with...." Can you imagine how difficult it is to have passed the exam and think you can work as a nurse in Canada and then be told by your employer that you are not "working out" .

What nightmare!

The SEC is in place to make sure that IEN's receive the help and support they need to be successful. It is an individual assessment that helps to point out your areas that need to be improved so that you can be successful as a nurse in Canada.

Canada needs nurses. But we need nurses who can do the work in the role that is required. When new nurses in the system require more support than the system can provide it is a bad situation for everyone.....patient safety notwithstanding.
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from janfrn
Old Jan 16, 2009, 03:12 PM

Default Re: What to do after SEC assessment?
Originally Posted by AVKON View Post
Yeah, I read that thread. Breech is **** lucky!

So *****' what if the SEC is free? I'd rather pay $200 to Kwantlen U. if CRNBC shoulders my roundtrip airfare as well as my board and food expenses for the duration of my SEC assessment. I gotta wake up now.
Why should the registered nurses of BC, who pay huge annual fees to CRNBC for their practice permits and provide CRNBC with their operating capital, pay for you to follow YOUR dream? Because that's what you're suggesting here.
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No. 5
from AVKON
Old Jan 17, 2009, 02:32 AM

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Do you mean to tell me Kwantlen can process my results in 1-2 weeks "just on my saying it's not acceptable"?

I do not have any problems with WHY the SEC was put into place. I have problems WHERE (in the application process) it was put into place. Now I've been reading on the forums that some IENs who are ALREADY in BC have to take the SEC to see if they need "polishing" on their skills. Why can't that be the case for me as well? Why not certify me eligible BOTH to take the SEC and the CRNE?

That way, I can get a job permit, come to Canada as a Temporary worker, get some experience, and THEN use that to build on my additional learning so that it will aid me as I take the CRNE and the SEC! I fully understand that "caring for a person" is different depending on country, race, even different depending on what institution you are working at, as a reflection of that particular institution's mission/vision statement. That being said, how can I know how to care for a person in the "Canadian setting" if I am asked to perform and I am being rated against a system I have no idea about?

If I remember correctly, once a nurse fails the first take of the CRNE, his temporary license is revoked and he cannot work until he passes the CRNE (someone please correct me if I'm wrong!), but he is given a set amount of time (2 or 3 years?) with which to comply with the CRNE. Why not do that with the SEC as well? Or since a nurse cannot get his license until he gets 250 hours of supervised work from a Canadian hospital, why not make it so that he cannot get his license unless he gets the hours AND does the SEC?

The idea here is just to make the IEN go to Canada ONCE, and at least assure him/her even a temporary job until he/she proves competency, with clear options and timeframes with regards to "X" happening if he/she gets "Y."

Now I keep hearing that SEC is given only to some IENs and not to all, and that each is assessed individually. Okay, I'll grant you that. But surely, all assessments are done against some standard? One does not pass/fail the assessment purely on the assessor's whim? Well then, what are the standards of having to take the SEC? Is it the number of hours of clinical practice? The grades? The board exam results? So far, I have not seen any of these. Personally, I am told I need to take the SEC because I had less than 12 years of education before university. I don't mean to be rude, but does that mean that even if I aced my subjects and exams but had less than 12 years in school befor university, my capabilities as an RN is in question? So an individual with barely-passing grades and maybe took the exams 2 or even 3 times, but with 12 or more years of education will not have his competencies questioned?

@ janfrn, I am not suggesting that, it was merely a "wishful" comment.
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from AVKON
Old Jan 17, 2009, 02:52 AM

Default Re: What to do after SEC assessment?
To put it simply, why tell IENs up front what they need to become good Canadian nurses in clear, plain english? Now if a candidate CAN DO THE JOB but needs polish so that it is done the "Canadian way," why not land that IEN, give him a job to at least sustain himself, then build up from there?

IMHO, a really interested, dedicated candidate will do whatever is reasonable to qualify.
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from breech
Old Jan 17, 2009, 03:57 AM

Default Re: What to do after SEC assessment?
Originally Posted by AVKON View Post
To put it simply, why tell IENs up front what they need to become good Canadian nurses in clear, plain english? Now if a candidate CAN DO THE JOB but needs polish so that it is done the "Canadian way," why not land that IEN, give him a job to at least sustain himself, then build up from there?

IMHO, a really interested, dedicated candidate will do whatever is reasonable to qualify.

Avkon,

does CRNBC gave you reasons why you need to take the SEC?
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No. 8
Old Jan 17, 2009, 05:59 AM

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I trained in the UK back in 1986 and did a bridge to RN in 1997 and trying to get sorted for Nova Scotia and I too have been told I may have to do SEC but a lot will depend on my transcripts when they receive them and review them. If it needs doing then it needs doing, maybe I am lucky that I am already in Canada as it is dh that has the work permit but I will still have to go away for a few days and expense will mount up.
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Old Jan 17, 2009, 06:13 AM

Default Re: What to do after SEC assessment?
Originally Posted by AVKON View Post
To put it simply, why tell IENs up front what they need to become good Canadian nurses in clear, plain english? Now if a candidate CAN DO THE JOB but needs polish so that it is done the "Canadian way," why not land that IEN, give him a job to at least sustain himself, then build up from there?

IMHO, a really interested, dedicated candidate will do whatever is reasonable to qualify.
Read the posts here , the Canadians have done that and patient care has suffered. The reported nurse's self assessment and education did match the IEN's actual skills. It seems there is a communication problem. Why should Canadian Patients suffer because IEN do not know how to do a self assessment and their school don't know how to produce transcripts that reflect their education.


Also could you share how your home country would process a Canadian nurse's application and how long would it take to get a license?
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