US needs foreign-trained healthcare workers - page 3

:monkeydance:The Wall Street Journal, one of America's leading newspapers, has just published an editorial imploring Congress to free up visas for healthcare workers who are trained overseas.... Read More

  1. by   Rep
    Quote from ♪♫ in my ♥
    Since you live in the Philippines, you may not realize that your use of "boys and girls" is derogatory. I'm going to choose to believe that rather than believe that you're intending to be insulting.

    "Boys and girls" is not a derogatory remark there. Only in the USA.
  2. by   ♪♫ in my ♥
    Quote from JunRN4u
    US needs more nurses - US trained or not, US Citizen or not! That is a fact.
    The US also needs more jobs at which people can earn enough money to support themselves within a standard deviation of the median standard of living in this country.

    To ignore that fact in trying to address the "shortage" is short-sighted and poor public policy.

    Yes, it is certainly to the benefit of administrators and shareholders to import labor from third-world countries. It's not, however, to the benefit of American society.
  3. by   AstonishiaInlimbo
    I believe America needs foreign-trained workers...

    Americans get hardworking healthcare workers who will put up with their demands and the demands of the healthcare institute...

    and if foreign-trained healthcare people work in the USA, they pay taxes...

    taxes that go to:

    -Free school lunches for kids of low-income American families
    -Free / low cost public education for American kids
    -Free medical/dental for low-income American families
    -Unemployment insurance
    -Medicare for the Aged and Disabled Americans
    -Financial aids / Scholarships for American kids
    -Child protection services
    -the building or funding of schools, museums, roadworks, war, etc...
    -Food stamps for poor Americans
    -WIC for American Mothers and Babies
    -So that the disabled Americans and morbidly obese Americans can get free Hoverounds
    -those Americans who are commiting welfare fraud
    -etc...

    and many many Americans benefit yearly to these...

    So yeah, I think the U.S. needs foreign nurses
  4. by   RGN1
    Not all foreign nurses wanting to come to America are from "third world" countries. Not that I'm putting down those who are, nor their reasons for wanting to come to the USA.

    I have 11 years experience in nursing in the UK - where I grew up. I have a job offer from a US hospital - where they need a nurse for a post they can't fill. I could have applied for over 10 jobs on the 1st 2 pages of their vacancy ads. It's a decent hospital, with decent ratios. I've been offered the exact same wage as any other nurse would be with the experience I have.

    Thanks to retrogression I can't get there. I'm in no-man's land - unable to make plans because I have no time scale to work with. The hospital is also at a loss because they are without a nurse that they want.

    Don't you think that where there is a clearly proven need (remember that the hospitals have to advertise the job vacancies for some time before they are allowed to petition for a foreign nurse) that the immigration process should be a smooth one, as it is in Canada & Australia??

    I have skills & experience to offer my US employer. I want to come over to enhance my own learning & nursing expertise. I want new life experiences for my children - who between them are academically bright & have sporting/artistic abilities so would make a good contribution to their schools in the USA.

    Is what I'm asking or wanting so bad?
  5. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from ♪♫ in my ♥
    The US does not need to import nurses and deprive other countries of their own intellectual talent. What the US needs to do is better the pay and working conditions and look at nursing as a skilled service rather than simply rolling it up in the room rate for billing.

    As is often stated, there are some 500,000 licensed nurses in the US who are not presently working. The market needs to respond in order to entice these people back into the game.

    Absolutely correct.

    The US does not need to import nurses. Anyone who knows what the real deal is, knows this.
    The importation of nurses allows hospitals and other nurse employers to continue to ignore the conditions that are driving American nurses away from the bedside.
  6. by   angel Ann
    Quote from ♪♫ in my ♥
    The US does not need to import nurses and deprive other countries of their own intellectual talent. What the US needs to do is better the pay and working conditions and look at nursing as a skilled service rather than simply rolling it up in the room rate for billing.

    As is often stated, there are some 500,000 licensed nurses in the US who are not presently working. The market needs to respond in order to entice these people back into the game.
    Have some of these nurses chosen to leave their profession? coz with this huge number of nurses, im sure this is all over america.I think,not all the people are willing to jump from state to another in order to get the job they need..I dont understand why america still needs to hire foreign trained if that's the case.All I know is american nurses are the best paid nurses in the world thats why many foreign nurses not only from Asia but also from Europe are dreaming to come to work in the US and as far as i know,the majority are happy to stay..could you tell me why still dissatisfied?..and what rate do you think should the nurse get paid for?..just asking
  7. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from RGN1
    Don't you think that where there is a clearly proven need (remember that the hospitals have to advertise the job vacancies for some time before they are allowed to petition for a foreign nurse) that the immigration process should be a smooth one, as it is in Canada & Australia??

    What many US hospitals do is run a ton of ads to "prove" that they are trying to recruit locally, then they do not contact the qualified applicants that respond

    More than once, I have received a nurse recruitment flyer in the mail, and been told there were no openings when I called to inquire.

    I read an article recently about a hospital in Virginia that was challenged for this practice. They imported dozens of nurses from the Phillipines, when they had over 200 local nurse applicants whom they had never contacted. Their excuse was not a single one of the 200 RN applicants were qualified. Total b@#$%^&t.

    This is common practice in several places where I have lived, and tried unsuccessfully, to find a job.
  8. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from angel Ann
    Have some of these nurses chosen to leave their profession? coz with this huge number of nurses, im sure this is all over america.I think,not all the people are willing to jump from state to another in order to get the job they need..I dont understand why america still needs to hire foreign trained if that's the case.All I know is american nurses are the best paid nurses in the world thats why many foreign nurses not only from Asia but also from Europe are dreaming to come to work in the US and as far as i know,the majority are happy to stay..could you tell me why still dissatisfied?..and what rate do you think should the nurse get paid for?..just asking

    Here are some articles which explain why US nurses are leaving the hospitals.

    Study of U.S. Nurses Finds Young Leaving Profession
    http://www.upenn.edu/researchatpenn/article.php?435&hlt


    According to a study released in the Journal of the American Medical Association in October 2002, nurses reported greater job dissatisfaction and emotional exhaustion when they were responsible for more patients than they can safely care for. Lead researcher Dr. Linda Aiken concluded that "failure to retain nurses contributes to avoidable patient deaths." www.nursing.upenn.edu/news/detail.asp?t=2&id=23


    According to a study published by Dr. Linda Aiken and colleagues in the May/June 2001 issue of Health Affairs, more than 40% of nurses working in hospitals reported being dissatisfied with their jobs. The study indicates that 1 out of every 3 hospital nurses under the age of 30 are planning to leave their current job in the next year. www.healthaffairs.org


    According to a study commissioned by the Federation of Nurses and Health Professionals in April 2001, The Nurse Shortage: Perspectives from Current Direct Care Nurses and Former Direct Care Nurses, currently 1 out of every 5 nurses currently working is considering leaving the patient care field for reasons other than retirement within the next five years. www.aft.org/fnhp/publications/index.html


    http://nsweb.nursingspectrum.com/cff...ingLeaving.cfm

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...28/ai_94590407

    http://www.medzilla.com/pressfeb02.html
  9. by   RGN1
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    What many US hospitals do is run a ton of ads to "prove" that they are trying to recruit locally, then they do not contact the qualified applicants that respond

    More than once, I have received a nurse recruitment flyer in the mail, and been told there were no openings when I called to inquire.

    I read an article recently about a hospital in Virginia that was challenged for this practice. They imported dozens of nurses from the Phillipines, when they had over 200 local nurse applicants whom they had never contacted. Their excuse was not a single one of the 200 RN applicants were qualified. Total b@#$%^&t.

    This is common practice in several places where I have lived, and tried unsuccessfully, to find a job.
    It was no flyer I applied through, the hospital is not actively recruiting foreign nurses. I'm talking about bone fide internet job vacancies that any nurse from the USA is able to apply for. In this case the hospital is unable to fill all their vacancies.
  10. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    here is an article in which a filipina rn working in the us expresses her frustration with working conditions in the us. she is adressing the governors advisory council to promote nursing in new jersey

    "....one of the primary reasons (us) nurses are leaving the workplace specifically, the hospital setting, is because of the increased work load that is demanding both mentally and physically

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...05/ai_n9238050
  11. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from RGN1
    It was no flyer I applied through, the hospital is not actively recruiting foreign nurses. I'm talking about bone fide internet job vacancies that any nurse from the USA is able to apply for. In this case the hospital is unable to fill all their vacancies.
    I believe that the hospitals could easily fill their vacancies with the nurses who are already here if they drastically improved working conditions and treated us with respect. I do not even think they'd have to raise wages to do this.
  12. by   mpoova
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    I believe that the hospitals could easily fill their vacancies with the nurses who are already here if they drastically improved working conditions and treated us with respect. I do not even think they'd have to raise wages to do this.
    I am confused!
  13. by   Silverdragon102
    Quote from mpoova
    I am confused!
    In what way are you confused. If you read some of the threads in the general forum you will read of poor working conditions, poor support from management and abuse from patients and relatives again with no support from management to make a few. If working environments improved then work moral would improve and less people would leave. This in turn would have an impact on foreign nurses and visas.

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