UBC's 2 yr Program or BCIT's 3 yr Program - page 2

Hello All, I am desperate to find out further information on which program is more ideal. I live in Vancouver and I am 24years old and thinking of applying to Nursing school in the next couple of... Read More

  1. by   springsheen
    UBC's previous curriculum may be theory-based, but they have a new and revised curriculum that puts in a lot more clinical hours than before. It is now not far behind BCIT's total clinical hours, and I was informed that it places UBC second compared to all other nursing programs in BC.

    September 2009 will be the first year with this new curriculum, so UBC is still worth looking into.
  2. by   Valhalla_Pure

    Something else you may want to consider is the commute and possible clinical placements. Clinical placements at BCIT take place all over, including Surrey, New West, Burnaby, Richmond, North Van, and Vancouver. Its a little bit of a drag to live in Coquitlam and have to commute to LGH in North Van. But for the most part I was lucky and got clinicals that were a reasonably close commute to my place in Coquitlam (and I had to take the bus). But just be prepared for the possibility that you may have to commute for clinicals, and its not always possible to get the clinical placement closest to your house.

    Can any UBC students comment on where most of your clinicals take place? I had heard that they were primarily in Vancouver, but that may be incorrect information. That may factor into H-dog's decision as well.

    Good luck making a decision! Both schools are good, and you would get an excellent education at either school.
  3. by   MPKH
    From the little blurb that was given after the interview, I got the impression that clinicals took place everywhere--Vancouver, Burnaby, Richmond..etc. Some night and weekend shifts involved. The director of the program said that most (if not all) placements are easily accessible by public transport, so that's handy with the Upass.
  4. by   springsheen
    Ditto. I went to both the UBC & BCIT info/orientation sessions, and I got the impression that they were equally spread out. If applicants were hoping that UBC Nursing would only take place at the UBC Hospital, well, it ain't so, unfortunately.

    I've also tried to ask the UBC Nursing staff about the clinical locations, since I do live quite far from UBC, but all they told me was they can't know for sure since it varies from year to year depending on instructor availabilities.
  5. by   MPKH
    I'd imagine most of the placements will take place in the lower mainland area, but I do remember the director saying that there will be placements outside the lower mainland.
  6. by   Fancypants09
    Hi everyone,
    I'm a student at the University of Toronto, finishing my Hons.BSc in June. I am currently in the midst of searching for accelerated nursing programs around canada, and when I searched the UBC Nursing Program website under Admissions, it didn't state an admissions GPA. Surely one must exist?

    Now I don't know whether to be anxious or hopeful, because due to some bad course choices (chemistry in 1st and 2nd year at UofT), my GPA is quite low and I'm scared that I won't be able to get into ANY nursing programs. Becoming a nurse is my dream, my motivation and determination are high, and if I can't make it into any programs, I don't know what I'll do.
  7. by   springsheen
    Hi Marina_stdnt,

    Fortunately, your first and second year courses' GPA will not be counted, provided that you have finished 30 credits since then (which, I will assume, you do considering you're finishing your degree).

    From the UBC Nursing website:
    To be eligible for admission into third year nursing, you need at least 48 UBC credits. However, the GPA is calculated on the most recent completed 30 transferable credits. In cases where counting back 30 credits lands in the middle of an academic term, the academic average of that term will be used for the remaining required credits to reach the total of 30.
    As for the academic average of admission, it hovers around 78-80%. Your GPA (worth 60%) will be weighted against a score given on your "extracurricular" experience and commitments, essay, and interview (worth 40%).
  8. by   Fancypants09
    browning20, thank you for your reply!
    As I understand it, 30 transferable credits = 5 full-year courses?
    And you're saying that the GPA (worth 60%) is the GPA of 30 credits? Where does the cGPA (cumulative) factor in?
    Sorry for these questions but I'm still somewhat confused!
  9. by   springsheen

    I'm not sure how UofT counts their credits, but at UBC:

    A standard lecture course lasting 1 semester, either Sept-Dec or Jan-Apr) = 3 credits/course
    Normal Winter session course load (Sept to Apr) = 10 courses, 5 course per semester

    So, in a school year that runs from September to April, a UBC student would normally accumulate 30 credits (10 courses x 3 credits/course = 30 credits). Or, like you said, 5 full-year courses (5 courses x 6 credits/course = 30 credits).

    I'm sure the UBC Nursing staff have a formula for converting UofT into UBC credits; you can e-mail them at information@nursing.ubc.ca

    And yes, as far as I know, the GPA they take into consideration is only the last transferable 30 credits that you have achieved. Everything from that point before, is not a factor. (cGPA = everything you've done in university? Then no, UBC Nursing does not care about your cGPA).

    On a side note, make sure you have taken courses in Anatomy and Physiology, as it is their requirement, along with a first-year level English course.
  10. by   Fancypants09
    Thank you!
    to add: I do have physiology and anatomy courses under my belt. However, as for the English requirement, a BSc degree can be 'substituted' and thus the Eng req. is waived in that favour.
  11. by   aintreallynotreally
    Hi everybody,

    anybody in the new ubc curriculum (starting 2009) that can comment on it? Also anybody who got into BCITs program that did not already have a bachelors (like myself?). I'm worried that they will not accept me because I don't have a bachelors yet.
  12. by   hello123
    I think that in choosing between UBC and BCIT, it's not so much what the programs themselves are like, but it's more about the affiliations and the connections that the programs have with each hospital in the community.

    Although both programs do send their students to hospitals of various health authorities in the lower mainland, I think that UBC is still very heavily affiliated with Vancouver Coastal Health. BCIT is more heavily affiliated with Fraser Health. In fact, BCIT's nursing specialty courses are what Fraser Health uses to train their specialty nurses. Vancouver Coastal has their own in-house training programs for specialty nursing.

    I also hear that the UBC program does an extensive pediatric rotation and has many placements at Children's Hospital (which is the provincial health authority, PHSA). However, the BCIT program does not.

    So I guess in my opinion it would boil down to which health authority / hospital you might perceive yourself working for. And which specialty or area in nursing you want to pursue. Some units of certain hospitals will have a preference for certain grads from certain nursing programs because of the placement or faculty relationships.
  13. by   sistascrubs
    I'm just finishing off my degree at UBC and was in the first year of the new curriculum. Unless you are interested in becoming an administrator (which UBC seems very interested in producing, at the expense, I would say, of bedside skills), I would say BCIT's program may be more comprehensive.

    It's true that we had a lot of clinical hours, and thank goodness I had amazing clinical instructors (not everyone did) because that is where I learned almost everything. We wrote paper after paper, but the few labs that we did have were a rushed, confusing, understaffed disaster and I felt completely unprepared for my initial clinical experiences. I can critique a research paper and discuss ethics like nobody's business, but I've never had to write a care plan. This is not what I expected when I signed up.

    It's true that UBC expects you to be an independent learner, but I knew how to learn independently before I got here, and I feel like I've been too busy with the endless academic writing and APA style bibs to be teaching myself on the side.

    The stress level amongst my classmates has been high (I know of at least two who started taking anti-anxiety medication in the first year), and many people feel frustrated with an administration that seems unresponsive and unapologetic to students' experience. This may be a typical nursing school experience and they may have made changes for the 2010 start, hard to say. On the plus side, some of the instructors are really wonderful and there is a strong focus on social justice, which I appreciate.

    If you do go to UBC, I recommend trying to get a job as an ESN in order to get more hands on skills. If you plan to go on to a Master's level program, UBC may be the best choice, but if you want strong clinical knowledge and don't come from a science background, you may want to ask yourself if an extra year is really that long.