Supreme Court's Decision regarding NLE - page 3

hi to all june 2006 examinees...:wink2: just want to inform everyone that as of today 5pm. our supreme court has already announced its decision regarding the controversial june 2006 nursing... Read More

  1. by   lawrence01
    That is a very good question but this has been addressed in the forums many times. Many people still can't understand the rationale.

    First and foremost the NLE is not needed (w/ the accompanying license) to be able to apply for eligibility to sit for the NCLEX. This is the basic knowledge. Some foreign counties doesn't even have licensure examinations for nurses and only needs the diploma to be able to work as a nurse in their country and therefore when they decide to apply for eligibility they only need their transcripts and diploma.

    The Phil. obviously has a licensure examination. Now, if one plans to work abroad an applicant may directly apply to a State BON (not NCSBN) and follow their respective requirements and policies.

    Now, if the nurses in other countries (other than U.S. of course) that does not have a licensure examination and only needs the diploma to work as a RN in their country can apply for eligibility for NCLEX then it follows that nurses from countries such as the Philippines can also apply for eligibility from a State BON w/o proof of license, right? That is the premise and it is being done. It should be the same, right? What's the difference?

    There will be no difference if the Filipino nurse will not take the NLE in the first place and just apply directly for eligibility to sit for the NCLEX. The licensure requirement being requested from the application forms are considered null and void since one did not take any licensure examination, eventhough it is available for Filipino nurses. The Filipino nurse is now treated the same as other nurses from other countries that do not have licensure examination in their country.

    However, this scenario changes if a Filipino nurse takes the NLE. If the nurse passes she will now have the obligation to disclose the license number and request the licensing body (PRC) to give an official verification that this nurse has indeed passed the NLE and is licensed to practice in the Philippines.

    Each State BON has their own policies regarding those who took the NLE and failed. That is why one has to give a letter of explanation why the nurse is not licensed in her country and it is up to the respective State BON to decide and their has been some that have been denied because they were not satisfied with the applicant's letter of explanation.

    In addition, majority of State BON that relies on CGFN's service (CGFNS Certification, CES, CVS for NY, Visa Screen) are bound w/ what's CGFNS' policies and rules are. These State BON (and esp. NCSBN) do not even have a say regarding foreign grads. What CGFNS says is what is required. Where there already nurses who aplied for CGFNS Certification? To do so a nurse has to let PRC send a verification of the license to them and since everything is on hold for nurses of the recent boards then PRC can't legally do that.

    And I think it would also follow that all services from CGFNS will have the same policy. It doesn't make sense if one cannot complete the requirements for CGFNS Certification but can complete the other services, esp. the Visa Screen Certification. Yes, the Visa Screen is handled by ICHP but ICHP is under CGFNS and it's policies are therefore the same in regards to foreign nurses.

    So, everything is up to what's CGFN's policy is (for CGFNS reliant State BON) and the individual State BON (for those that do it on their own).

    NCSBN has nothing to do for making an applicant eligible to sit for NCLEX. They're only job is related to how the NCLEX examination is conducted, the formulation of questionnaires, location of NCLEX test centers and the like.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Oct 20, '06
  2. by   msdreamchaser
    hello. i think graduates in the Philippines took the local boards because license is needed in this country to practice. some were thinking to have experience first while waiting for papers although it is not much needed to practice in the US or moreover to have a rebound when they return in the country after years of working abroad.

    another thing, it is very much advised by our local universities, faculty and deans to take the local board above anything else... it's like an achievement and an honor to pass the said exams... and they even also encourage their students to oractice at least 2 years in this country, to serve this country before we serve the foreign nations... so i hope i had stated some point here... god bless!
  3. by   lawrence01
    Quote from ^same^
    hello. i think graduates in the Philippines took the local boards because license is needed in this country to practice. some were thinking to have experience first while waiting for papers although it is not much needed to practice in the US or moreover to have a rebound when they return in the country after years of working abroad.

    another thing, it is very much advised by our local universities, faculty and deans to take the local board above anything else... it's like an achievement and an honor to pass the said exams... and they even also encourage their students to oractice at least 2 years in this country, to serve this country before we serve the foreign nations... so i hope i had stated some point here... god bless!
    Yes, of course and that is a good point. There is no questioning that. :wink2:

    What we were saying are those who do not have plans to work in the Philippines and wants to work abroad. These are the ones that are coming over in our forums in the 1st place.

    We are trying to explain to the applicants that have immediate plans to go abroad who are asking the questions here in the forums because majority of those who took it has no plans to work in the Philippines 1st and it is their decision not to. It is done for years. Those who wants to work in the Philippines first may also do what they wish. There are thousands that take the NLE twice a year and only a very, very small % can be absorbed by the hospitals.

    There is really nothing that can be done by the recent board takers (plans or no plans for the immediate future to go abroad) but to just wait for the issue to resolve whatever the outcome maybe.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Oct 20, '06
  4. by   Mike28770
    I like to say once again--
    Please write to cgfns and the local state bon that you want to apply to and ask them what is their position and do not rely on the opinions posted here. Some of us have done that and have been told that if the philippine candidate is not registered with PRC, then they are not licensed. If you read the cgfns application forms for CES and Visascreen, if will be clear what that means.

    Just sharing my experience, strength and hope
  5. by   suzanne4
    Quote from Mike28770
    I like to say once again--
    Please write to cgfns and the local state bon that you want to apply to and ask them what is their position and do not rely on the opinions posted here. Some of us have done that and have been told that if the philippine candidate is not registered with PRC, then they are not licensed. If you read the cgfns application forms for CES and Visascreen, if will be clear what that means.

    Just sharing my experience, strength and hope
    Sorry, but sharing your experience? You are not a nurse and have never attended nursing school, but know all about working in the US, etc. How can you be sharing an experience that you do not have?

    And if you forget, the PRC published a list of all that took that exam in June, and passed, it was not swept under the carpet and is a well known fact in the US. And if you bother to read the page 14 of the VSC Handbook, it addresses all of the issues that are coming to light from that exam.

    And if my sources are correct, you are now in the US on a tourist visa. Correct? And are just starting the process of licensure with your girlfriend, for her? I do hope that you have an enjoyable flight back home as there will be no way to get a petition for you to stay in the US during the retrogression, perhaps you do not know about it? You have put all of your time into arguing with me............
  6. by   kalayaan
    Quote from lawrence01
    If you have friends who will take the NLE for the 1st time in Dec. advice them not to take it anymore. Not worth the trouble. They can just apply directly to sit for the NCLEX by applying to their State BON of choice.
    I think this move will be pretty risky for non-US citizens/immigrants, considering the retrogression.

    if one doesnt take the NLE, one cannot practice. yes, you can still take the NCLEX, but with the retrogression, assuming nothing will be done to solve it, then one is "stuck" in the phil for about 5 years with no training whatsoever. and thats an awfully long time to be stagnant.

    if one takes the NLE, she risks getting into the hullaballoo of cheating and hopes to God the exam will be clean. assuming the exam goes on without a hitch, and that the retrogression is still on, one can expand his/her own horizon and look at other countries to work in, as these countries require a license.

    if one had direct access to the US or its intended country of practice, by all means do not take the NLE. but if you think it will take a long time before you can leave (i wont tell you whether or not to take the exam), you should decide very, very carefully.
  7. by   suzanne4
    Quote from kalayaan
    I think this move will be pretty risky for non-US citizens/immigrants, considering the retrogression.

    if one doesnt take the NLE, one cannot practice. yes, you can still take the NCLEX, but with the retrogression, assuming nothing will be done to solve it, then one is "stuck" in the phil for about 5 years with no training whatsoever. and thats an awfully long time to be stagnant.

    if one takes the NLE, she risks getting into the hullaballoo of cheating and hopes to God the exam will be clean. assuming the exam goes on without a hitch, and that the retrogression is still on, one can expand his/her own horizon and look at other countries to work in, as these countries require a license.

    if one had direct access to the US or its intended country of practice, by all means do not take the NLE. but if you think it will take a long time before you can leave (i wont tell you whether or not to take the exam), you should decide very, very carefully.
    Sorry, but I agree with Lawrence on this one. It will not be five years before a nurse from your country will be in the US. As in the past, the nurse is much better off not taking the exam there...........too many issues have now surfaced, and the money is much better spent on the NCLEX exam. Even if you were to pass the NLE exam there, the salary that you would get there? Does'n make it even worthwhile to go that route, most are working in other areas and have done so for years.
  8. by   kalayaan
    again, i didnt say that you should or should not take the NLE. what i mean is that if it will take 3-5 years before someone can get employed in the US bec of the retrogression then it might be a long time being stagnant. so one must think wisely on whatever path one will choose.

    but ok... ill admit it... i didnt want to say it in my previous post, but if i were one of those lined up for the succeeding NLEs then i too would not take the NLE anymore. ok! i admit it!!!!
  9. by   Mike28770
    Really, I am torn now between laughing and crying, but Ok I’ll say this much -

    My great great great great great great great grandfather arrived in Boston in 1634 from Manchester, before there was an INS. I can prove it if the need arises. I’m not sure why that matters, but now you know.

    I am not a nurse, but I am an experienced hiring manager in another profession with a lot of international experience, and I assure you I can (and do) read about and comprehend complex issues.

    I find most of your comments on licensing and immigration to be accurate. In the case of this 0606NLE I have reached a different (informed) opinion than you.

    I don’t wish to argue; I believe people should ask the agencies for clarification and form their own opinion. We applicants are at risk, and have a responsibility to know and understand the regulations and to comply. That is what I am doing for myself and my fiance.

    Thanks for understanding!
  10. by   suzanne4
    Since you know so much about immigration, why not just go the fiance route and leave me alone? You can do that, and then worry about everything else later on...............that is still going to take months.

    But to offer your insight to how things should be done or should not be done, and you have no knowledge of nursing is not a good thing. I have been doing this probably since before you were born, and have helped hundreds, if not thousands over the years.

    Your behavior is just not nice, all you want to do is argue or get in the last comment, and this is mine to you.
  11. by   nurse_plush
    as long as prc & the supreme court(if ever) gives the final word about the case like if there's no read for a retake and the passers may get their license then that's fine, cgfns will repect that or that discriminates us, also there was no news in their website about not letting us apply for their process/forewarning us for an all out retake, that's not their decision to make but the govt here. as long as one hold a valid license or license # then one may apply to them.
    if they didn't allow us to apply, there would have been some big news about in in the press/tv/etc about it but there isn't.
    if there is no satisfaction to this issue then contacting them would be the best option or wait until this matter is settled.

    i hope that we will get our licenses, if we do, then i will apply to cgfns, unless i read some actual news about it then i will believe it.

    im not saying other opinions here are wrong, but well see.

    i think that cgfns is waiting for the prcs decision and will respect that once it is there. ^_^

    as for now we can only pray and wait. hope for the best that we may finally move on and take the nclex exam.
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    [color=#483d8b]and if that notion is really 'true' then apply to another state not requiring a local license as what my other batchmates did who already got their atts ^_^
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    [color=#483d8b]but still i dont thinkg cgfns is going to make that big of an issue since it will be unfair to a lot of hopeful and deserving nurses.
    Last edit by nurse_plush on Oct 21, '06

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