Shakeup of nurse education. - page 3
This last link looks suspiciously like a word for word copy of a government press release. So what are your thoughts on this. Levin... Read More
Sep 26, '07In my opinion, the government would be better off by rewarding those of us who complete our program. People that go on the HECS/HELP system, start a qualification, don't finish it and don't earn enough to pay it back or work overseas are thus not paying for any of their debt.
I think a system where your degree cost is (for example) halved would mean more people would be inclined to finish it, or even say a financial bonus or tax cut for finishing. Perhaps also there should be a reward for actually using the nursing degree? A few of my friends qualified, but took up different work or become mothers, which meant that their qualifications are temporarily useless, again likely meaning they are not paying back their debt.
I don't much mind whether nurses are hospital or uni trained. I was uni trained, as i had to be to gain the qualification at the time. Placements/work experiences/free labour sucks because it means a drop of income, leaving (or using your holidays anyway) of paid income, to become another pair of hands. I was lucky and had great placements where I learnt heaps, but not everything is that lucky, not everyone enjoys the experience (not necessarily because of the nursing, but perhaps staff, other commitments, etc.).
I would be somewhat bitter if people got paid to earn the same degree that I now have, without the HECS debt that I had.
Sep 26, '07Quote from jaxthe entire explanation is VERY long. but the shortest way i can explain is this: uni students don't "train" in hospitals for free. someone is funding that "training". as UQ is very heavily funded by the government due to their pulling power (due to research-heavy faculties), UQ gets preferred placements in whatever hospitals they choose for training. when they graduate, UQ students are NOT preferred employees. But while they are under the UQ umbrella, they are "preferred" trainees. therfore, UQ gets pick of placements. this is causing a HUGE problem with other unis that also have student nurses to be placed in the hospitals. becoz hospitals are all desparate to affiliate themselves with the "top" uni of QLD, which is UQ, they will drop other unis in order to make places for UQ students. this has happened many times since UQ started their nursing program. other unis are told their places are dropped from certain hospitals at certain times becoz the UQ people have been placed instead. UQ does try to reduce their "stealing" of other uni's placement places, but it is still evident when other unis are told a few weeks before placement that their places are dropped becoz they need to accomodate UQ.Hi all,
Veritas I would love some clarification on the above statement. I am one of the old hospital trained nurses, who is just starting to do some work with uni students as a facilitator. I have only worked with one uni so far, have had nothing to do with UofQld yet. But you have my curiosity piqued. What problems are they causing?
Sep 27, '07We never had these problems with hospital based training!
While I agree and TOTALLY understand there were inherant problems with the hospital training system, I'm of the firm belief that overall it worked quite well, people earned a wage, (albeit a paltry one! But, it WAS money with which to scrape by on!). We lived in nurses quarters and therefore the accommodation was cheap and reasonable.
There was usually always someone to chew the fat over with. Share your problems, concerns etc etc. Always someone to share your good and bad experiences with. We didn't have, nor need, counsellors then. We had each other! It mostly worked well.
I could go on and on about the positives for hospital based training. I could also wax lyrical about the benefits, in some aspects, of tertiary education for nurses. But, I'm not going to.
I was around when tertiary education was first proposed and ultimately introduced. I saw how as a direct result of this, nursing changed, forever. And, I might add, not necessarily for the better!
I don't know what the magic solution is. What is really the absolute best way to go for the future of nursing training.
What I do know is; I believe training in a hospital, under the apprenticeship system, worked ok for me and, most of, my former, colleagues. We were/are excellent nurses. We studied hard and also learned a lot by practical experience at the coalface. And I have to say, nothing beats practical experience! Nothing! you can read about everything and anything in a book and in lectures. However, when it comes to applying theory into practise, if you've never been afforded the opportunity to do so, you'll never adequately be able to. JMHO.
Anyway, as I said, I could go on and on and on and on.......
Maybe the best solution is a compromise between the two.
Perhaps that's what our erstwhile government is trying to accomplish? I don't know. But, clearly, the current system is not achieving it's end.
IOW; educated, trained and qualified nurses for now and into the future.
I do know they can't keep on asking us "oldies" to return from retirement!Last edit by Grace Oz on Sep 27, '07