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| No. 80 | 
Jun 04, 2008, 02:21 AM
 Re: Relief for retrogression hope??? Originally Posted by lawrence01  Also, adjusting status may not be as easy as before for people coming from tourist and student visas. It is expected that USCIS may not allow concurrent filing of the I-140 and I-485 (AOS) anymore. Applicants would have to wait until the I-140 (job petition) be approved first until the I-485 (AOS) be allowed to be filed. So, if it will take 6-15 mos. for an I-140 to be approved depending on w/c Service Center is processing it then it is more likely that someone visiting the US exhaust his valid legal stay before the I-140 gets approved.
*See: http://allnurses.com/forums/f75/poss...-a-301143.html
Couple this with the news ( I'll look further on to this and make a thread about it) I just heard that all visitors to the US (including from countries that do not need a visa to visit) will now have to give their name at least 72 hours before their planned flight then some people may not even be allowed to even fly going to the US.
Actually the bill has a provision which states that I-140 petitions filed for Sch A cases should be reviewed not later than 30 days since date of filing of completed petition. So if the bill is passed, I-140 processsing times will be reduced greatly.
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Jun 04, 2008, 04:06 AM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope??? Originally Posted by lost_stranger Actually the bill has a provision which states that I-140 petitions filed for Sch A cases should be reviewed not later than 30 days since date of filing of completed petition. So if the bill is passed, I-140 processsing times will be reduced greatly. If the bill passes and if that specific provision holds as well. No guarantee that 100% of what is in there will make it and they might add some safety nets as well. I'm also sure the dual-intent provision coming from a tourist visa will still hold. It always had. Even when there was still the Schedule A visa category, some AOS cases were still denied for dual-intent.
Actually, there are two ways to see that provision. Some people might see it as an easier way to spot someone with dual-intent for all we know.
| | No. 82 |
Jun 07, 2008, 10:12 AM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope???
(This was in response to another post)
You are entirely missing the point and that is that there has never been open doors to the US in terms of coming here to work legally. Has never happened and do not think that it will.
The issue is now that there are many more applicants than there are visas available per year so that means that the chances of getting a visa are not as good as they once were. I have no issues at all with foreign nurses coming to the US when they do it legally. However, there have been many that have tried to take shortcuts as well as cuts in line in front of others trying to get here thinking that they were more deserving than others that had been doing things legally and were waiting their turn for a visa.
We are seeing more and more people go into nursing for the chance to get to the US to work, but the fact remains that the US still needs to look out for its own first and provide jobs for them before anyone else.
For a new grad to demand that the US take them just because they think that it is their right to be here, that just does not fly with me. And it is not just me, we are seeing more and more states require the local license and even CA, that was always first choice for many. They have even changed their rules as well.
And yes, I am all for legal immigration, and just that. Legal and without an open door policy just because someone wishes to come here.
Even this thread that speaks of a possible bill that has been discussed for sometime, it is still not an open door policy, all that is does do is take the dependents out of the count. When we had Schedule A, and there were 50,000 visas in that, only about 17,000 actually went to nurses as spouses and children were included with that total. This would be 20,000 per year, the dependents would get a visa but their number would not be in the count. Still does not grant visas to everyone and will only be a drop in the bucket for many and if someone does not have a completed file then they will not even have a chance at any of these.
There have been times in the past when there were no visas issued to nurses for more than 5 years here and that is when the H1-B was used for all coming to the US, the green card was only then applied for if things worked out between the employer and the nurse. Or they were not even renewed for the temporary work visa.
Many of you are believing that this is something new for the US government to have a retrogression, but it is definitely not the case. When demand is larger than the supply, things get stopped and that is what is happening now. Even with these added in visas, the demand is still going to be greater than the supply and do not expect the retrogression to end anytime soon.
I think that for anyone to bury their heads in the sand and do not think that all of this applies to them, is crazy. Pure and simple. And to come here to go to school expecting to be able to remain is no longer a viable option for most, the OPT only gives one year and is not renewable.
I just believe that everyone needs to be very aware of what is actually happening here and come into the process with open eyes and ears, not screening out what they do not want to hear.
| | No. 83 |
Jun 07, 2008, 10:21 AM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope???
It seems to me that the International moderators are just trying to be realistic. Lots of people from other countries post here and it is clear that they have gotten misleading and/or incorrect information, and they often have very unrealistic expectations about coming to work in the US (as well as other countries). I never really thought about immigration issues before I started participating on the allnurses site, but, apparently (based on what I've read here), for many years it was very easy for RNs from other countries to come to the US to work whenever they wanted to. Immigration rules and policies have changed dramatically in recent years and that is just not a realistic expectation any more (and probably never will be again).
Also, international nurses frequently post here all excited about some new bill just introduced in the US Congress that would make a big difference to their situation if it passed, and they don't seem to have any understanding of how the law-making process works in Congress (I don't mean that as a criticism in any way; it's completely understandable. I don't have any clear idea how the political process works in most other countries, either.  ) The vast majority of bills that get introduced in the US Congress never become law; often the congresspeople who introduce the bill know that it's never going to pass, but are just trying to make a political statement or "score points" with their constituents or other supporters. Often, if a bill does pass, the final version signed into law is very different from the original proposal. Also, there is a great deal of sentiment within the US public these days against immigration; regardless of whether that is good, or fair, or right, that's how a lot of the US population feels and our representatives and senators know that.
I don't understand why people get so huffy about the US having more restrictions on immigration than we used to; every nation on earth has immigration laws and restrictions, and most are much more restrictive than the US. US immigration rules and policies, like those of every other country, are developed to protect and promote the interests of the US and its citizens, not the people who want to come here (and, again, that's no different from any other country on the planet). It's not the job of the US and other first-world countries to "rescue" people who happen to have been born in poorer countries, and provide them with a good life and comfortable income.
I also think it's interesting (and this is just a general observation, not directed at any particular individual) that so many of the members who post here about how wrong and unfair it is that they can't come to the US any time they feel like it and practice as an RN come from a country (the Philippines) in which it's impossible for anyone who isn't a PI citizen to get a nursing license. If it's okay for the government of the Philippines to decide that all RN jobs in their country are reserved exclusively for PI citizens, why would it be wrong for the US (or any other country) to take the same approach??
| | No. 85 |
Jun 08, 2008, 03:08 AM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope???
I have just read every single post and I feel like I'm watching a tennis tournament. I just don't get how foreign nurses are willing to do anything and everything just to get to the US. I've been hearing that people are willing to give up assets just to get their children through Nursing school and then off to the United States without considering several factors: (1) waiting time for a Nurse Green Card and (2) length of time it would take to recover the amount of money spent during the entire ordeal.
Being an RN requires not only a mindset but also a 'heart'-set. Our course didn't teach us to chase after greenbacks; rather it teaches us to help those in need of compassionate and empathic skilled bedside care. What makes an RN fit for a position is 10% intelligence, 10% skill and 80% patient satisfaction---regardless of whether this RN is working in the US or not.
So for the 800,000 RNs in line, why not take it from a different point of view? Be optimistic. Take is as a sign from God that you should probably help your countrymen first before helping others. Five years is sufficient time to make a difference in the quality of healthcare in a country. If this and the US thing isn't in the works, try considering a different country. If it would make you more competitive as an RN... then why not?
And finally for those who are planning to take on the Nursing career, is being a compassionate and empathic skilled bedside RN really what you want or is the USA really what you want? Because I know people who came into the USA through employer-based immigrant visas as CPAs, engineers, and IT specialists. They weren't RNs. They were individuals who went after what they really wanted, excelled in it and got into the USA the exact way RNs do.
What I'm just trying to get through here is if you really want to be an RN it doesn't freaking matter where you practice. If you are unsure, take some time off and think...
Is all this worth the sacrifice, time and money??????
| | No. 86 |
Jun 08, 2008, 04:07 AM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope??? Originally Posted by o0o0geekyHottie0o0o I have just read every single post and I feel like I'm watching a tennis tournament. I just don't get how foreign nurses are willing to do anything and everything just to get to the US. I've been hearing that people are willing to give up assets just to get their children through Nursing school and then off to the United States without considering several factors: (1) waiting time for a Nurse Green Card and (2) length of time it would take to recover the amount of money spent during the entire ordeal.
Being an RN requires not only a mindset but also a 'heart'-set. Our course didn't teach us to chase after greenbacks; rather it teaches us to help those in need of compassionate and empathic skilled bedside care. What makes an RN fit for a position is 10% intelligence, 10% skill and 80% patient satisfaction---regardless of whether this RN is working in the US or not.
So for the 800,000 RNs in line, why not take it from a different point of view? Be optimistic. Take is as a sign from God that you should probably help your countrymen first before helping others. Five years is sufficient time to make a difference in the quality of healthcare in a country. If this and the US thing isn't in the works, try considering a different country. If it would make you more competitive as an RN... then why not?
And finally for those who are planning to take on the Nursing career, is being a compassionate and empathic skilled bedside RN really what you want or is the USA really what you want? Because I know people who came into the USA through employer-based immigrant visas as CPAs, engineers, and IT specialists. They weren't RNs. They were individuals who went after what they really wanted, excelled in it and got into the USA the exact way RNs do.
What I'm just trying to get through here is if you really want to be an RN it doesn't freaking matter where you practice. If you are unsure, take some time off and think...
Is all this worth the sacrifice, time and money??????
this has to be one of the best post i'v read 
...soooooo true and honest....and not a hint of negativity
| | No. 87 |
Jun 08, 2008, 06:56 AM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope??? Originally Posted by o0o0geekyHottie0o0o And finally for those who are planning to take on the Nursing career, is being a compassionate and empathic skilled bedside RN really what you want or is the USA really what you want? Because I know people who came into the USA through employer-based immigrant visas as CPAs, engineers, and IT specialists. They weren't RNs. They were individuals who went after what they really wanted, excelled in it and got into the USA the exact way RNs do.
What I'm just trying to get through here is if you really want to be an RN it doesn't freaking matter where you practice. If you are unsure, take some time off and think...
Is all this worth the sacrifice, time and money??????
Are you a Filipino working as an RN in the USA or a foreign immigrant there??..I understand your point, but most new nurses and other nursing students are really good and have potentials. I also observe that most male nurses and male student nurses do much better and work faster than females..They do have potential and talent in nursing..Yes,nowadays, a lot are taking up Nursing because they do have dreams of going to USA and other first world countries, BUT a lot of these people work well as nurses--I dont know about the others who dont do well or fed-up with nursing stress, maybe they should just shift career, but so far, in our area, I do admire the skills and tolerance of my co-workers and student nurses in handling many toxic patients and impatient relatives..Indeed, nursing is really a demanding work..If you are not mentally and physically prepared, well, you try to be--otherwise, you wont last in this career..In other countries, it is just the same thing,Nursing is very stressful...In the Philippines,oftentimes,you wont have time to eat or pee, especially if you're on the Step-down ICU or Medical-Surgical Unit..You'll get crazy most of the time, because of the number of patient load, number of medications,number of procedures, number of new patients you are admitting in a day,three patients whose IV catheters are out and have to reinsert it,number of patients you would endorse to Hemodialysis in a day and two patients you would transfer to ICU which eats up a lot of your time--ICU nurse would get angry if your endorsement to their area is not organize and if you forgot to mention something..You must do well even under pressure and even if you have 10 patients all in all..Yes, thats the usual count, 8-10 patients in a day, sometimes I handle 12..The technique is to be selfless, not to think too much about yourself..
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Jun 08, 2008, 07:38 AM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope??? Originally Posted by sofia_815 Are you a Filipino working as an RN in the USA or a foreign immigrant there??..I understand your point, but most new nurses and other nursing students are really good and have potentials. I also observe that most male nurses and male student nurses do much better and work faster than females..They do have potential and talent in nursing..Yes,nowadays, a lot are taking up Nursing because they do have dreams of going to USA and other first world countries, BUT a lot of these people work well as nurses--I dont know about the others who dont do well or fed-up with nursing stress, maybe they should just shift career, but so far, in our area, I do admire the skills and tolerance of my co-workers and student nurses in handling many toxic patients and impatient relatives..Indeed, nursing is really a demanding work..If you are not mentally and physically prepared, well, you try to be--otherwise, you wont last in this career..In other countries, it is just the same thing,Nursing is very stressful...In the Philippines,oftentimes,you wont have time to eat or pee, especially if you're on the Step-down ICU or Medical-Surgical Unit..You'll get crazy most of the time, because of the number of patient load, number of medications,number of procedures, number of new patients you are admitting in a day,three patients whose IV catheters are out and have to reinsert it,number of patients you would endorse to Hemodialysis in a day and two patients you would transfer to ICU which eats up a lot of your time--ICU nurse would get angry if your endorsement to their area is not organize and if you forgot to mention something..You must do well even under pressure and even if you have 10 patients all in all..Yes, thats the usual count, 8-10 patients in a day, sometimes I handle 12..The technique is to be selfless, not to think too much about yourself..
Then why do a majority of your country's RNs prefer to leave???? If they have seen and experienced this situation during their clinicals, why can't they help out instead of trying to get into a different country that doesn't have a shortage of RNs? I do admire the talent of Filipino RNs, same as I do for every single RN in the world, but with what you just wrote, it seemed like the 950,000 Nursing students Suzanne04 mentioned plus the licensed RNs in your country rarely pitched in with the work. I just hope and pray that while waiting, qualified RNs in your country help with the load and not just sit and wait for the I-485 or whatever it is to land at their doorstep. With what you wrote, healthcare there needs a lot of help!
| | No. 89 |
Jun 08, 2008, 05:51 PM
Re: Relief for retrogression hope???
It is not 800,000 nurses that submitted petitions last summer for the I-485, but that number includes all professions that are under the EB-3 classification and that is what nurses are under for their green card.
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