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Old Apr 18, 2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiona59 View Post
Nice to know that imperialism and the colonial mentality is alive and well in the US.

From what you have posted, you can buy anything or anyone in the Phillipines. Not sure that is a culture that most Americans or Canadians want.
I agree what I have read here is enough to make me think twice about a country where you can by a Maid for $30 a month.

We just took a vacation, we were in Mexico ( very poor country) when I was buying some jewelry my husband reminded me to haggle the price. I find no pleasure trying to beat poor people for a few dollars. It is not pleasurable to me.
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No. 11
Old Apr 18, 2009, 04:14 PM
Updated Apr 19, 2009 at 12:49 AM by NRSKarenRN

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Originally Posted by NRSKarenRN View Post
Topic of thread is Staffs full, nurses struggle for work: Recession hits a once-sure thing

Posters considering nursing need to be aware of the issue that nursing is not recession proof. Before considering a nursing career check out:
a. How many schools of nursing are in your area?
b. Healthcare market saturation --are hospitals consolidating, closing down or are new facilities being built due to rapid growth of communities?
c. If job market saturated desiring only experienced nurses, are you willing to commute to another town or able to move across states to area with openings?
d. How long can you survive without salary upon graduation?

Answers to these questions will help guide your decision to enter nursing program.

Within the next 15 years, 1/2 nursing workforce will be retiring as average age of RN's in 2010 will be 53 yrs....


Exhibit 4. Age Distribution Trend of the RN

http://bhpr.hrsa.gov/healthworkforce...jections/2.htm


I'd plan on being one of those retiring in 2025, but with economy tanking, spouse laid off 5 yrs ago, securing a FT position making 1/3 my salary and now retirement savings 1/2 value since 2008.....I will be continuing work at least part time. Many RN's formerly part time, now working FT or 2 PT positions as family bread winners.

Just like we went through similar downturn job cycles in 1974-75, 1984-85 and mid 90's, this cycle will pass.

When I see graphs and read the stats about the age of the average nurse, and the number of nurses declining due to retirement- I wonder- are the people who compile these numbers taking into consideration the huge increases in nursing students, nursing school capacities, new nursing programs, and the surge of new graduates?

It doesn't appear that they are. Therefore, the stats could be waaaaay off.
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No. 12
Old Apr 18, 2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by redranger View Post
"The 22-year-old Newton native will be saddled with more than $100,000 in student loan"
She should of went to Nursing School in Philippines. She would of been around $90,000 ahead of the game.
Could of used that money to buy a house and a car....
I certainly hope you are joking, redranger! If not, you are very out-of-touch with the mindset of the American public. I don't know a single 22-year-old Bostonian who would ever even consider moving to a Third World country to attend nursing school. The proliferation of sub-standard nursing schools and subsequent high failure rate for students taking both the NLE and NCLEX speaks volumes about the current problems in nursing education in the Philippines. For you to continue to assert that the PI is "best" in training quality nurses is just plain silly.

Originally Posted by redranger View Post
Philippines is like the 51st state of USA. Where else can you go and everything is in English, English is the business language, Values and Culture of USA like we had back in the 1950's.
I would hazard to say that there are very few Americans who consider the Philippines to be anything like "the 51st state." Most Americans probably can't even find the Philippines on a map! There are also plenty of other countries with citizens fluent in English. And if the Philippines is hanging onto the values and culture of the 1950's...they sure have a lot of catching up to do!

Might be time for a reality check.........
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No. 13
from Falkner
Old Apr 18, 2009, 10:36 PM

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In a related note I have a question concerning Nursing school in Cincinnati Ohio. I left NKU's program years ago and I am considerin taking again. My neighbor informs me the she is taking a LPN/RN program through Hondros in Cincy and it is from like 2 to 11pm daily. I called the school for more info and nothing exists. Is anyone aware of such a long program in Cincinnati Ohio?
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Old Apr 18, 2009, 11:42 PM

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The evening PN program is from 3-9 one evening class, and 3-10 two evenings leaving other classes to the other two days. This is a two year program.
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Old Apr 18, 2009, 11:55 PM

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Redranger could you post your nursing qualifications to all of us. It seems like you have many opinions but not much fact to back up your claims.

More importantly how can you evaluate nursing education ? Are you a RN ? Or are you an educator? Or have you been a long term patient in both the American system and the Philippine system ?

It seems to me from my trained observation you only know one nurse ( your wife of a few months). I have been married for over 30 years, my husband met me in my Junior year of nursing school and I don't think he would feel qualified speaking about nursing education in the US or any other country. It seems like he has had plenty of exposure to nurses, phone calls from work, social occasions, talking to students who call my house not to mention talking care of elderly sick parents. Yet he does not voice any opinions on nursing or nursing education since he does not feel qualified.

And he certainly would not lecture experienced nurses on nursing practice or nursing education. I guess he respects nurses and the nursing profession.
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No. 16
from Kosmonavt
Old Apr 19, 2009, 12:50 AM

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In my opinion, it's crazy to pay $100,000 for BSN. She could get for $10,000 in California.
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No. 17
from NRSKarenRN
Old Apr 19, 2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Valerie Salva View Post
When I see graphs and read the stats about the age of the average nurse, and the number of nurses declining due to retirement- I wonder- are the people who compile these numbers taking into consideration the huge increases in nursing students, nursing school capacities, new nursing programs, and the surge of new graduates?

It doesn't appear that they are. Therefore, the stats could be waaaaay off.

Yes, the 2004 Survey of RN's took into consideration age of students:

Age

The aging of the RN workforce in the United States has continued. As of 2004, the average age of the total RN population (including those who are retired and not employed in nursing) was estimated to be 46.8 years. This is the highest average age since the inception of the survey, more than 1 year older than the average age estimated in 2000 (45.2 years) and more than 2 years older than the average age estimate in 1996 (44.3 years).
The aging RN workforce reflects fewer young nurses entering the RN population, large cohorts of the RN population moving into their 50s and 60s, and older graduates from initial nursing education programs entering the RN population. In 2004, only 8.0 percent of the RN population was under the age of 30, a decrease from 9.0 percent in 2000 and 25.1 percent in 1980. At the same time, in 2004, 41.1 percent of RNs were 50 years of age or older, a dramatic increase from 33.0 percent in 2000 and 25.1 percent in 1980 (see Appendix A, Table 1). The increase in the number of older nurses who returned to the workforce in response to the higher salaries and reported shortages may have contributed to the trend.

The average age of RNs at graduation from initial nursing education also varied by type of program. Graduates of diploma and associate degree programs in 2000 or later were the same age (31.8 years) and were older than graduates of bachelor’s degree or higher programs (26.3 years) during this time period. In other graduation years, graduates of associate degree programs were older than all other graduates. Across survey years, the age of diploma graduates has steadily been increasing across graduation cohorts. Baccalaureate degree recipients graduating after 1989 were the youngest (see Chart 10). However, the average age at graduation is lower since 2000 among recent graduates of associate degree and bachelor’s degree programs (declining by 1.5 years and 1.2 years respectively, compared to those who graduated during the 1990s (see Appendix A, Table 2).
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No. 18
Old Apr 19, 2009, 04:00 AM
Updated Apr 19, 2009 at 04:17 AM by pinkroyalty18

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after months of hibernation,i have to speak up....

seriously,why is is that the same people here are talking about the same thing over and over against Philippines? dont you ever get tired with your "usual speech"? just wondrin... Is there something new that u can talk about PI aside from "substandard education,low NLE and NCLEX passing rates,incompetent nurses,blah blah blah".. It has been months like that since I last visited and it came no surprise at all to read the same comments from the very same people...

And by the way Alex49,we DO NOT BUY our maids.they get paid every month and they are treated with respect. Here in our house,they got to eat the same thing we eat and we never thought of them as our property. They can leave anytime they want..We even encourage them to go to school..so there,hope that's clear. THEY ARE NOT FOR SALE... you should be careful with your words. they are not slaves for sale.
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No. 19
from redranger
Old Apr 19, 2009, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurse!Nurse!Hello? View Post
I certainly hope you are joking, redranger! If not, you are very out-of-touch with the mindset of the American public. I don't know a single 22-year-old Bostonian who would ever even consider moving to a Third World country to attend nursing school. The proliferation of sub-standard nursing schools and subsequent high failure rate for students taking both the NLE and NCLEX speaks volumes about the current problems in nursing education in the Philippines. For you to continue to assert that the PI is "best" in training quality nurses is just plain silly.
Funny How Hospitals in USA have Philippine Nurses working there, It says something for their education system and work ethics.

I have read on this board about Nursing Programs in USA where people say in their Clinicals they clean bed pans or bath patients, Now that is crazy.
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