MD degrading RN - page 2

I am working in the Operating Room about a month and I have observed some Surgeons who happened to degrade our Nursing profession. One incident happened when the surgeon got irritated of the room... Read More

  1. by   Rep
    I used to worked as a med rep and know some doctors who took up nursing and told me that when they did their clinicals they begin to appreciate and understand the role of nurses.
  2. by   pinoy_guy
    Quote from jonRNMD
    pareng pinoy, i hope we all made the correct decision of going here in the US :spin:
    goodluck to all of us :heartbeat
    I hope so.

    we will be giving up a lot in exchange for financial stability.

    we'll need all the luck & prayers we can get.
  3. by   potatomasher
    Seems like some doctors need to retake values education classes! Kidding!

    But seriously, if that had happened to me, I would definitely report that particular doctor thru writing, no matter what happens. And besides if you get fired by the hospital, you're still sure that you would get accomodated by another hospital. =-)

    And oh what do you think of surgeons throwing instruments at you when they get mad?
  4. by   suzanne4
    Quote from potatomasher
    Seems like some doctors need to retake values education classes! Kidding!

    But seriously, if that had happened to me, I would definitely report that particular doctor thru writing, no matter what happens. And besides if you get fired by the hospital, you're still sure that you would get accomodated by another hospital. =-)

    And oh what do you think of surgeons throwing instruments at you when they get mad?
    Throwing instruments in the US, they would be written up and stand to lose their privileges at that hospital. This is one thing that is never, ever tolerated.

    This is behavior that is not tolerated anywhere and should not be.
  5. by   angelcharm
    do not feel degraded rns...
    for a number of these mds turned to nursing.. hehe...jk

    but do not be afraid to become assertive.
    if u know ur rights, fight for it!

    let him pick up the forceps he threw... lol
  6. by   lawrence01
    Quote from angelcharm
    do not feel degraded rns...
    for a number of these mds turned to nursing.. hehe...jk

    but do not be afraid to become assertive.
    if u know ur rights, fight for it!

    let him pick up the forceps he threw... lol
    i'm sorry, but that is not the proper advice and the right conduct. if one does that you will be no diff. from him.

    proper way is to just report it to your immediate superiors and do your facility's protocol on what to do after the procedure is completed. it will be completed.

    besides, if you're the scrub nurse neither you nor the surgeon should pick up the instrument(s) (unsterile) thrown out. someone else would have to do that and a circulating nurse would have to replace it w/ new ones.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Nov 6, '06
  7. by   angelcharm
    Quote from lawrence01
    i'm sorry, but that is not the proper advice and the right conduct. if one does that you will be no diff. from him.

    proper way is to just report it to your immediate superiors and do your facility's protocol on what to do after the procedure is completed. it will be completed.

    besides, if you're the scrub nurse neither you nor the surgeon should pick up the instrument(s) (unsterile) thrown out. someone would have to do that and a circulating nurse would have to replace it w/ new ones.
    i know.. my last statement was just a joke..
    but it is an analogy.
    if he messed up with u, teach him a lesson..


    the starter's story never happened to me..
    the mds ive dealt with were nice...

    but if ever it will happen to me,
    i will first confront the person concerned- the surgeon himself...
    and tell him of his unprofessional conduct
    before i complain him to the supervisors




  8. by   lawrence01
    Just want to share this article to everyone. There are more articles about disruptive behaviors and how to deal w/ it in the web and one can look it up just by googling.

    http://community.nursingspectrum.com....cfm?AID=24182
  9. by   angelcharm
    Quote from lawrence01
    just want to share this article to everyone. there are more articles about disruptive behaviors and how to deal w/ it in the web and one can look it up just by googling.

    http://community.nursingspectrum.com....cfm?aid=24182

    nice article...


    from the link:
    nurses sometimes lack the communication skills necessary to thrive in high-stress environments. leslie schneiderhan, rn, bsn, med, a clinical nurse specialist in perioperative services at mount auburn hospital, teaches assertiveness and communication skills to nurses working at all levels.


    it all points down to one thing.. be assertive...like i said before.

    btw, r u the mod?! im kinda new here... and still learning how to use this site.


  10. by   lawrence01
    Nothing wrong by being assertive as long as we try to be polite at all times and not stoop to someone else's level. "Confronting" someone while still "Hot" would not be a good idea. Much better to "talk" to him after everything cools off and after you reported it to your superiors. Most often than not your superiors will be doing the talking to that Surgeon, esp. if that particular Surgeon is infamous for loosing it under pressure and stress.
  11. by   angelcharm
    to confront him while he's still "hot" will remind him to take hold of himself.

    you dont need to tolerate his unacceptable behavior when u can do something right then and there..

    but if it still doesnt work...
    confront him again later... still with all respect and calmness
  12. by   suzanne4
    Quote from angelcharm

    i know.. my last statement was just a joke..
    but it is an analogy.
    if he messed up with u, teach him a lesson..


    the starter's story never happened to me..
    the mds ive dealt with were nice...

    but if ever it will happen to me,
    i will first confront the person concerned- the surgeon himself...
    and tell him of his unprofessional conduct
    before i complain him to the supervisors



    sorry, but you never teach a lesson like that, you are only lowering yourself to their standards and that is grounds for you to be let go of your job. there are channels that need to be followed in the us, and you complete the case that has a patient on the operating room table, and then you can discuss it with the surgeon.

    but remember:

    the patient comes first, you are there as their advocate to protect them, and that is what your job is.

    any issues are taken care of afterwards. or you will be finding yourself paying a very large cancellation fee for your contract that will fail to remain current. telling someone off during a case is not the way to get things done, you are only lowering yourself to their level, and that is not what you want to do, ever. more that likely, you will be the one to be firred and you will have to live with those consequences. and you will get fired.
  13. by   lawrence01
    Quote from angelcharm
    to confront him while he's still "hot" will remind him to take hold of himself.

    you dont need to tolerate his unacceptable behavior when u can do something right then and there..

    but if it still doesnt work...
    confront him again later... still with all respect and calmness
    i'm sorry, but that is not done even in the philippines. much more when in the u.s.

    you will be risking your job and the tables will turn on you when it's suppose to be the other way around. you will get reprimanded not just by the much older and experienced surgeon but by your immediate superiors.

    do not make it a decision bet. you and the surgeon. you will loose.

    you will also get "endorsed" to other mds and even to their residents and interns (if you're still not fired). i do hope you know what being "endorsed" in the phil. hospital setting means.

    i think the proper term you should be using is to "talk" to the surgeon and not confront. confront, usually means w/ defiance and hostility.

    even, trying to "talk" to someone sensibly when he is still obviously still hot under the collar turns out differently for the worse even if that's not what you wanted in the 1st place.
    Last edit by lawrence01 on Nov 7, '06

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