Light at the end of the tunnel for Foreign Nurses - page 2

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  1. by   Rep
    Quote from lizz
    If hospitals pay market rates then, I'm sure they do. But when hospitals use foreign nurses to under cut and avoid giving staff pay raises ... I seriously doubt it. Filipino nurses want to make more money, just like anybody else.

    It's obvious from this board that a lot of these foreign nurses have no clue what the market wages are because they don't live here. It's very easy for the hospitals to rip them off and, bringing in cheap labor hurts wages for everybody, including the foreign nurses who come here.

    Nevertheless, since the foreign nurses are dying to get over here, they take it. But I wouldn't presume that most of the nurses who are already here would be in favor of bringing in cheap labor that under cuts their own wages.

    :typing
    I am not in favor of cheap labor but I am in favor of bringing foreign nurses to work here. And I am not paid below the minimum wage or just the minimum wage. As a US license nurse here, I am paid well.
  2. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Rep
    I am not in favor of cheap labor but I am in favor of bringing foreign nurses to work here. And I am not paid below the minimum wage or just the minimum wage. As a US license nurse here, I am paid well.
    Not minimum wage, market wage. Big difference. And no, in general foreign nurses are not paid anything close to the market wage. The company needs to earn a buck someplace, and it is always at the expense of the nurse.
  3. by   lavalin
    preliminary analysis of last night's results strongly suggest that very few toss up races were won by republican candidates who attempted to exploit immigration as a voter motivator.

    democrats that back comprehensive immigration reform mostly won their races. and the republican party is likely to get smaller as its hard line on immigration drives away hispanic voters.

    of the 15 key races tracked by immigration2006.org - races where immigration played a key role in the race - the tally sheet currently stands as follows: 12 - 2 - 1 (kyl kept his senate seat in arizona, as expected; katherine harris's house seat, fl-13, was won by the republican; and pa-06 is still undecided).

    the republican party not only didn't win, but it has once again failed to expand its base. the democrats have an opportunity to seize the moment, enact comprehensive immigration legislation that is supported by the mainstream voters of both parties, and reap a windfall with latino voters going into 2008."
  4. by   Rep
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Not minimum wage, market wage. Big difference. And no, in general foreign nurses are not paid anything close to the market wage. The company needs to earn a buck someplace, and it is always at the expense of the nurse.
    As a foreign nurse, I am happy with what I am earning.
  5. by   suzanne4
    Quote from lizz
    So? Look at CNA's position. It's pretty clear.

    Filipino and foreign nurses have the same interests as any other CNA nurse who is protected by union contracts. I would find it hard to believe that any of them would want cheap foreign labor coming in and under cutting their hard won pay raises.

    :typing
    Cheap foreign labor? I draw the line at that one. Any foreign nurse coming to the US is coming on a green card, and therefore gets the same salary as the American RN, and if in CA pays the same uniion dues that the other nurses pay.

    Three years ago when the H1-B visas were stil available, yes they were coming in as cheap labor. But that is not the case any more and I hope that it never is.
  6. by   suzanne4
    Quote from lizz
    If hospitals pay market rates then, I'm sure they do. But when hospitals use foreign nurses to under cut and avoid giving staff pay raises ... I seriously doubt it. Filipino nurses want to make more money, just like anybody else.

    It's obvious from this board that a lot of these foreign nurses have no clue what the market wages are because they don't live here. It's very easy for the hospitals to rip them off and, bringing in cheap labor hurts wages for everybody, including the foreign nurses who come here.

    Nevertheless, since the foreign nurses are dying to get over here, they take it. But I wouldn't presume that most of the nurses who are already here would be in favor of bringing in cheap labor that under cuts their own wages.

    :typing
    Sorry again, but Lizz please get your facts straight on this topic.
    With any petition that is submitted to immigration by a hospital, it needs to include the prevailing wage in the area, and if a union hospital, the HR dept needs to make the union aware of the pending petition and they have a thirty day wait period.

    So, not sure where you are getting your information from, it is not the case anymore and has not been.

    And I will be the first to say that I pray that the temporary work permits never, ever become available again, as the nurse is then a slave to the facility....................and we did away with slaves.

    Sure, there are unscrupulous agencies that are selling nurses, but it is the nurse's responsibility to check things out before signing a contract.
  7. by   lavalin
    Look at Colorado: Comprehensive reform advocates Bill Ritter (D) and Rick Perlmutter (D) handily won their races for Governor and Congress over hardliners.

    "The fact that the anti-immigration card didn't work in Arizona and Colorado shows that this Republican strategy was a loser, and that voters are smarter than the Republicans thought. It turns out that Americans who are deeply concerned with our nation's broken immigration system want solutions not sound bites, pragmatism not posturing."


    Governor's races: In numerous Governors' races Democratic candidates came under attack for begin "soft on illegal immigration," and in all of these races - MD, KS, OR, WI, MA, CO, AZ - the Democrat won.


    Schwarzenegger: In a display of Republican savvy lacking in most races, Governor Schwarzenegger moved away from hard line views on immigration, deftly repositioning himself in the middle on immigration, and won going away.
  8. by   lavalin
    This is what the Washington Post reported this morning on the exit polling, "…Republicans hoped to capitalize on…immigration, but fewer than one in three cited it as extremely important in influencing their decision, and they only narrowly favored Republican candidates. About six in 10 voters said that they believe illegal immigrants working in the United States should be offered a chance to apply for legal status, a position that was supported by Bush but rejected by House Republicans who have pushed an enforcement-first approach to controlling illegal immigration. Democratic candidates won support from 61 percent of those who backed a path to citizenship, according to the poll."
  9. by   Sheri257
    Quote from suzanne4
    Sorry again, but Lizz please get your facts straight on this topic. With any petition that is submitted to immigration by a hospital, it needs to include the prevailing wage in the area, and if a union hospital, the HR dept needs to make the union aware of the pending petition and they have a thirty day wait period.

    So, not sure where you are getting your information from, it is not the case anymore and has not been.
    Suzanne: have you looked at the prevailing wage rates set by the labor department? It's a joke. This is how hospitals get away with paying foreign nurses less money, and using it to pay U.S. nurses less money.

    Just as an example, the labor department says the prevailing wage in my area for new grads is only $24 an hour.

    http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesQuic...ear=7&source=1

    When, in fact, you can get $27-$30 an hour in that area easily. The "prevailing wage" for experienced nurses is similarly low.

    Nevertheless, there is one hospital that I know of that still pays only $24 an hour for new grads. Funny how it's the same "prevailing wage" set by the labor department.

    Naturally, since their pay is so low ... they can't hire new grads. So ... what are they doing instead? Hiring 80 foreign nurses.

    It seems pretty obvious to me that in this case, the hospital is using foreign nurses to keep wages low. And that's a union hospital. I'm sure that by hiring 80 foreign nurses at lower "prevailing wages" ... the union is going to be compromised when trying to get real market pay raises for staff nurses in their next contract.

    And it's not an isolated occurence. Just as an example, in 2004 Tri City Medical Center hired foreign nurses instead of giving their staff nurses a raise.

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004..._439_24_04.txt

    Look at the prevailing wages set by the labor department (the RN code is 2911) ... and tell me if you don't think those wages are low. Because in my area ... it's definitely a joke.

    http://www.flcdatacenter.com/OesWizardStart.aspx

    Prevailing wage is just a clever word for low wage. And it hurts foreign nurses just as much as Americans.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 9, '06
  10. by   oneLoneNurse
    Being a foreign nurse I agree with lizz. I am just a stone's throw from calling it quits down here. I could do just as well up north.

    Quote from lizz
    So? Look at CNA's position. It's pretty clear.

    Filipino and foreign nurses have the same interests as any other CNA nurse who is protected by union contracts. I would find it hard to believe that any of them would want cheap foreign labor coming in and under cutting their hard won pay raises.

    :typing
  11. by   oneLoneNurse
    Sorry, I don't understand why the Democrat win is a good thing for us alien nurses ? I am here on a TN, but thinking about getting an H1B.

    Thoughts ?


    Quote from RNKay31
    IMHO, I thing the Demos in the house and Senat means a good thing to foreign nurses as well as us immigration, and even Bush said that today, so lets keep our fingers cross
  12. by   Sheri257
    Quote from lavalin
    Look at Colorado: Comprehensive reform advocates Bill Ritter (D) and Rick Perlmutter (D) handily won their races for Governor and Congress over hardliners.

    "The fact that the anti-immigration card didn't work in Arizona and Colorado shows that this Republican strategy was a loser, and that voters are smarter than the Republicans thought. It turns out that Americans who are deeply concerned with our nation's broken immigration system want solutions not sound bites, pragmatism not posturing."


    Governor's races: In numerous Governors' races Democratic candidates came under attack for begin "soft on illegal immigration," and in all of these races - MD, KS, OR, WI, MA, CO, AZ - the Democrat won.


    Schwarzenegger: In a display of Republican savvy lacking in most races, Governor Schwarzenegger moved away from hard line views on immigration, deftly repositioning himself in the middle on immigration, and won going away.
    This is a gross mischaracterization of the election. Democrats won because of the war, not because of immigration. If the issue in this election had been about immigration, instead of the war, Democrats would have lost.

    In California, Democrats have a long history a losing elections because of illegal immigration. Schwarzenegger won because the Democrat supported driver's licenses for illegals.

    Yes, I know ... your issues have nothing to do with illegals. But to say Democrats won because of immigration is wishful thinking. If anything, the Democrats' position on immigration is big loser with voters.

    There's many a Democratic candidate who's blown 20 point leads in California elections because of immigration. And if being pro-immigration causes Democrats to lose elections in liberal California then, you can bet it's going to be even more of a loser in more conservative areas of the country.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 9, '06
  13. by   lavalin
    two new polls out yesterday echo this analysis. the first, released by the manhattan institute and the national immigration forum, found that immigration would not be a top vote determining issue nor a top turnout motivator. furthermore; voters remain supportive of comprehensive immigration reform and expect congress to take action next year.

    another poll released yesterday by the national council of la raza and the national association of latino elected and appointed officials of likely latino voters found that republican attempts to use immigration as a wedge issue were driving down latino support for republicans by some 20 points.

    these findings correspond with today's exit polling results: more than 7 out of 10 hispanic voters supported democrats, and only 27% supported republicans. this is in stark contrast to the 2004 election in which president bush attracted an estimated 40 to 44% of the hispanic vote.

    "it seems that the vaunted republican strategy of trying to use immigration as political wedge produced little more than self-inflicted wounds that could take a long time to heal".

    :spin:

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