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No. 30
Old Jun 28, 2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
It's part of the game of owning and operating a business.

It why the employeers take the lions share of the money in the business realtionship between employee and employer.
My understanding that the Canadian Health System is a government entity not a business, so when these nurses leave to go to the USA they are really hurting every Canadian citizen, not a large for profit health organization. Also when they apply to work in Canada ( I believe this is true please correct me though) the nurse is apply for permanent residency and enjoys all the rights and responsibilities).

Perhaps Canadians should treat foreign nurses who have no plans on immigrating like Middle Eastern Countries, put them in a compound and limit their rights, and then when their contract is up they can leave, no hard feelings on anybody's part.
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No. 31
from 5cats
Old Jun 28, 2009, 03:53 PM

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The visa varies Alex, the guys who came as a group came and come with a TWP, if they don't pass CRNE or the employer is otherwise unhappy they have to leave the country after the visa expires (normally 1 year). But the goal obviously is that they stay longer then that either with an extended TWP or then as a permanent resident.

If too many of them should decide that Canada is not their country, recruiting practise will probably reviewed.

Itzallgood: About the "game", problem is, is does hit back to the employees or future employees, why do you think tourist visas are getting more and more denied, and cancelation fees are creeping up. Those people might not hurt themselves but the others that follow. And in Canada Alex is absolutely right, it's tax money that was spent.

So when 4 out of 5 like in Fionas example leave before the contract is even over, that leaves bad feelings and make it very hard for the people that follow.

5cats
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No. 32
from Itzallgood
Old Jun 28, 2009, 07:39 PM

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I am talking about USA.

I really have no interest or concern regarding Canada. Canada is just a dot on the map as far as World events, Sorry if I offend but it is what it is.
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No. 33
Old Jun 29, 2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
Americans don't have issues with with people using it as a stepping stone, If someone wants to come to USA and work and then go onto another country and work I am quite sure the majority of Americas would be "Good" with that, and not have issues. Maybe the main reason is everyone wants to come to USA, and uses others countries as their Plan "B". Western Culture especially USA it is business practice to do whatever it takes to get ahead, I see it day in and day out.
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Originally Posted by 5cats So no, not everybody in the States is happy when they are used as a stepping stone, people got the greencard and left the emloyer that sponsored them, you don't think that employer is happy, eh? (and then the following reponse... )
Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
It's part of the game of owning and operating a business. It why the employeers take the lions share of the money in the business realtionship between employee and employer.
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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
I am talking about USA. I really have no interest or concern regarding Canada. Canada is just a dot on the map as far as World events, Sorry if I offend but it is what it is.
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Wow! Who haven't you offended??
For someone with as much cynicism and disdain for Western culture as you apparently have, I am surprised that you would move here, or encourage others to move here.
If you can't stand the host, don't go to the party...
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No. 34
Old Jun 29, 2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
I am talking about USA.

I really have no interest or concern regarding Canada. Canada is just a dot on the map as far as World events, Sorry if I offend but it is what it is.
You have offended many and there was no reason for it.

I really do not see why you think it is OK to abuse another country and use it as a stepping stone for the US.
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No. 35
Old Jun 29, 2009, 10:23 AM

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Alex there are a couple of routes that nurses can take into Canada and this link should explain it, most come on Temp Work Permit and then apply for permanent residency but even then they can not apply for TN visa as you need to be a citizen to meet that criteria

CIC work temporarily in Canada
CIC immigrate to Canada
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No. 36
from Itzallgood
Old Jun 29, 2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurse!Nurse!Hello? View Post
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Originally Posted by 5cats So no, not everybody in the States is happy when they are used as a stepping stone, people got the greencard and left the emloyer that sponsored them, you don't think that employer is happy, eh? (and then the following reponse... )

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Wow! Who haven't you offended??
For someone with as much cynicism and disdain for Western culture as you apparently have, I am surprised that you would move here, or encourage others to move here.
If you can't stand the host, don't go to the party...
I am from the USA, And I find it to be the Best Place in the World to live
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No. 37
from Itzallgood
Old Jun 29, 2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverdragon102 View Post
You have offended many and there was no reason for it.

I really do not see why you think it is OK to abuse another country and use it as a stepping stone for the US.
I post about the USA and the impact this thread and other has on the USA, for some reason a few keep thinking I am talking about Canada and taking my post as I am talking bout Canada.

My knowledge and experience is USA.

It's not abusing if someone obtains legal entry into any country and works or studies there, and then wants to move onto another country.

Many people come to USA and work and study to gain the USA knowledge only to take it back to their home country, I say Bravo for them.
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No. 38
from 5cats
Old Jun 29, 2009, 11:21 AM

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And what I was telling you is it does matter under what claim people are doing this.
Of course it's allright if you come temporary and then move on, but it's not allright if you claim you want to immigrate but actually are waiting for another countrys visa to come thru. And if it does affect your work performance that's even worse.

There's too much money and effort spent for nothing, bad for any business.

5cats
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No. 39
from Itzallgood
Old Jun 29, 2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 5cats View Post
And what I was telling you is it does matter under what claim people are doing this.
Of course it's allright if you come temporary and then move on, but it's not allright if you claim you want to immigrate but actually are waiting for another countrys visa to come thru. And if it does affect your work performance that's even worse.

There's too much money and effort spent for nothing, bad for any business.

5cats
To me your either the employee or the employeer. Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. If I have to pick a side I will take being the employeer 9 times out of 10, they are the ones reap the rewards of owning a business.

Many people are choosing a country other than USA at the moment to work, and when retrogression is done/lifted they will more than likely set thier goals on coming to the USA.
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