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No. 20
Old Jun 20, 2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
I can find no fault in them working in other countries waiting for thier US Visa to come through.
Their goals is working in USA, and doing anything and everything to reach that goal is what they are doing, and I can find no fault in that either
And that's the problem: for some reason, you just don't get it.
Canada is not part of the United States. Canada is a different country.
When people go to Canada--and use it as a "stepping stone" to the US--it is insulting to the people of Canada.
Very, very insulting.
So, if you want to work in another country while you are waiting to go to the US, you should pick a country where the people won't be so offended by your behavior.
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No. 21
from caliotter3
Old Jun 20, 2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
USA is known as the Land of Opportunity for a reason.

The US Embassy in Manilla issues about 150 Visas to USA per day, I would find a way to get to USA if I was a looking to migrate to a certain country.
Yes. Come here.
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No. 22
Old Jun 20, 2009, 07:46 PM
Updated Jun 20, 2009 at 07:56 PM by MedSurg32RN

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
I can find no fault in them working in other countries waiting for thier US Visa to come through.

Their goals is working in USA, and doing anything and everything to reach that goal is what they are doing, and I can find no fault in that either
immigration \Im"mi*gra"tion\, n. [Cf. F. immigration.]

The act of immigrating; the passing or coming into a country for the purpose of permanent residence.

Why should Canada take nurses who state when all they want to do is work or " be a carpet bagger " until a better opportunity comes about. They have no plans on immigrating, in my opinion it is wrong to say you want to make a place a new home only to leave when a better opportunity comes about. I believe when these nurses come to Canada they are saying the are planning to immigrate

Kind of reminds me of people who get married but divorce when a younger and more attractive partner comes along. Many people feel this behavior is acceptable but to me marriage is a commitment and divorce is only when conditions are beyond the point of no repair.
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No. 23
from Fiona59
Old Jun 20, 2009, 10:38 PM

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Nah, Alexk, I see them more as the marriage of convenience type. They marry somebody for a passport, bring over there entire family and then Whoops, I'm just not into you anymore. (just happened to a nurse I work with)
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No. 24
from Itzallgood
Old Jun 23, 2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurse!Nurse!Hello? View Post
And that's the problem: for some reason, you just don't get it.
Canada is not part of the United States. Canada is a different country.
When people go to Canada--and use it as a "stepping stone" to the US--it is insulting to the people of Canada.
Very, very insulting.
So, if you want to work in another country while you are waiting to go to the US, you should pick a country where the people won't be so offended by your behavior.

If someone immigrates to USA and then wants to move to another country to work, I have no issuses with that.

It's someone trying to do better for themselves. They are not indentured servants.
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No. 25
Old Jun 23, 2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
If someone immigrates to USA and then wants to move to another country to work, I have no issuses with that.

It's someone trying to do better for themselves. They are not indentured servants.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess.
Apparently you don't "find fault" or "have issues" with anything anyone does as long as what they are doing is legal. You prefer to not consider the socio-cultural implications of their actions, though--the bad feelings it causes in Canada when using their beautiful country as a mere stepping-stone.

Maybe it's a cultural difference between your country and Western countries. Maybe in your country it is entirely acceptable to do whatever you can to get ahead, to trample on the feelings and customs of others as long as YOU get what YOU want! However, in Western countries that type of attitiude is considered selfish. Maybe that's why you appear as though you do not understand what others are saying--because it's a cultural difference. Maybe one of the reasons for the bad feelings directed at foreign nurses is this difference in perspective.
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No. 26
Old Jun 23, 2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Itzallgood View Post
If someone immigrates to USA and then wants to move to another country to work, I have no issuses with that.

It's someone trying to do better for themselves. They are not indentured servants.
Then the nurses should apply for a working visa not an immigration visa, there are thousands waiting for the immigration visa.No one wants or expects anyone to be an indentured servant, I think it is a privilege and an honor to be allow to move into one's country. Working and moving on to another country is not making the country their new home.
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No. 27
from Itzallgood
Old Jun 27, 2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurse!Nurse!Hello? View Post
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess.
Apparently you don't "find fault" or "have issues" with anything anyone does as long as what they are doing is legal. You prefer to not consider the socio-cultural implications of their actions, though--the bad feelings it causes in Canada when using their beautiful country as a mere stepping-stone.

Maybe it's a cultural difference between your country and Western countries. Maybe in your country it is entirely acceptable to do whatever you can to get ahead, to trample on the feelings and customs of others as long as YOU get what YOU want! However, in Western countries that type of attitiude is considered selfish. Maybe that's why you appear as though you do not understand what others are saying--because it's a cultural difference. Maybe one of the reasons for the bad feelings directed at foreign nurses is this difference in perspective.
Americans don't have issues with with people using it as a stepping stone, If someone wants to come to USA and work and then go onto another country and work I am quite sure the majority of Americas would be "Good" with that, and not have issues.

Maybe the main reason is everyone wants to come to USA, and uses others countries as their Plan "B".

Western Culture especially USA it is business practice to do whatever it takes to get ahead, I see it day in and day out.
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No. 28
from 5cats
Old Jun 27, 2009, 03:49 PM

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I think the main reason people get annoyed is when people are not honest about their intentions plus the amount of effort it takes to get them into the workforce and when people are not staying for a decent time to "pay back". That goes for every country and employer.
If you invest a load of money and work getting people into the country and into the workforce you want them to stay for a certain period of time to make it worth it.
That's the reason quite a few recruiters in the States have those unbelievable high penalties in place, if you leave earlier. Because people abused the system too often. So no, not everybody in the States is happy when they are used as a stepping stone, people got the greencard and left the emloyer that sponsored them, you don't think that employer is happy, eh?

I won't be surprised if the canadian healthregions will have those penalties in place in the future.

5cats
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No. 29
from Itzallgood
Old Jun 28, 2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 5cats View Post
So no, not everybody in the States is happy when they are used as a stepping stone, people got the greencard and left the emloyer that sponsored them, you don't think that employer is happy, eh?
It's part of the game of owning and operating a business.

It why the employeers take the lions share of the money in the business realtionship between employee and employer.
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