Grad school reqt's

  1. Graduate schools in the US currently require the TOEFL and GRE before an international student is allowed to enrol in a graduate class. I think a full-education CES report is also rquired.

    But what if you're an immigrant with a permanent resident visa, will US schools-- particularly nursing grad schools-- still require you to take the TOEFL and GRE?

    Anybody?

    Thanks.
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  3. by   suzanne4
    The green card does not waive any of the requirements for you if you are a foreign grad. Even if you hold a US passport, and trained overseas, you will still be required to go thru the requirements for the foreign grad. None of the requirements are waived.

    Language requirement is based on where you trained, just like it is required for immigration. CES is a given for any further schooling in the US if you want credit for the degree or courses that you completed out of the US.

    US students wanting to attend grad school must have one of the mraduate entrance exams, so that is definitely not waived for you either. You must meet all of the same requirements that an American does for entry, plus the additional requirements. Never less than what they need to go thru.
  4. by   juan de la cruz
    Totally agree with Suzanne, took my MS in Nursing while on an immigrant visa and was required to have TOEFL and GRE at the time. Only difference is that I am assessed a resident tuition rate instead of having to comply with requirements for a foreign student. Now have US citizenship but I'm sure the rules would not change if I decide to go to school again.
  5. by   flight027
    Thanks suzanne and pinoyNP, great help.
    I guess my decision to take TOEFL instead of IELTS will eventually pay off then.

    pinoyNP, I notice that most schools in the US offer MS in Nsg, while most schools in the Phils. offer MA in Nsg. Since, you've already gone to grad school, would you know the differences in focus between an MSN and an MAN program? Also, what are the reqts for an NP program and how long is it?

    Thanks.
  6. by   suzanne4
    Grad school only requires the basic TOEFL, not the series that you need for immigration. I prefer the speaking section of the IELTS series.

    There is already a thread on the Philippine Forum discussing the differences between the MAN and the MSN. Just look for it.

    In the US, the requirements for the NP in every specialty requires the MSN as the basic to even be able to get Advanced Practice Certification from a state Board of Nursing. There is actually an Advanced Practice license that needs to be obtained to practice in that role.

    There are multiple courses that need to be completed with the clinical component that would need to be completed in the US, as well as pharmacology classes required by the Board of Pharmacy for the state where you will practice.

    If your goal is to work in the US as an NP, you would be much better off waiting to start the program here, as it will be hard to get into a program here, and not have to repeat a fair amount of courses. The issue is that you must have so many hours in residency at that university for them to issue the degree to you. Anything short of that, and you will not get the degree from them that you require to have.

    Nursing now is so different in the Philippines, that it would be recommended to get the training here for your Master's if you want that role. Every NP that I know of has attended school in the US, even if their BSN were from another country.
  7. by   juan de la cruz
    Quote from flight027
    Thanks suzanne and pinoyNP, great help.
    I guess my decision to take TOEFL instead of IELTS will eventually pay off then.

    pinoyNP, I notice that most schools in the US offer MS in Nsg, while most schools in the Phils. offer MA in Nsg. Since, you've already gone to grad school, would you know the differences in focus between an MSN and an MAN program? Also, what are the reqts for an NP program and how long is it?

    Thanks.
    Sorry, don't know the difference between MAN and MSN aside from the fact that the MAN is offered in the Philippines. NP programs are clearly identified as such by schools and colleges of nursing in the US. There are many different focus of MSN programs and the NP track is only one of them. There are also CNS, CRNA, CNM specializations that one can obtain with a graduate degree, to name a few. NP certification requires completion of a graduate nursing degree (MS, MSN, or DNP) with didactic and clinical courses related to the NP's focus of specialization. Certification is granted through the state and through national certification boards. A US RN license is required prior to entry to clinical course requirements of NP programs. Some programs require prior US RN experience.
  8. by   suzanne4
    Quote from pinoyNP
    Sorry, don't know the difference between MAN and MSN aside from the fact that the MAN is offered in the Philippines. NP programs are clearly identified as such by schools and colleges of nursing in the US. There are many different focus of MSN programs and the NP track is only one of them. There are also CNS, CRNA, CNM specializations that one can obtain with a graduate degree, to name a few. NP certification requires completion of a graduate nursing degree (MS, MSN, or DNP) with didactic and clinical courses related to the NP's focus of specialization. Certification is granted through the state and through national certification boards. A US RN license is required prior to entry to clinical course requirements of NP programs. Some programs require prior US RN experience.
    It does not have all of the clinical training modes that the MSN has. Closer to what is covered in the generic MSN here. Definitely not focused towards the advanced practice nurse.

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