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No. 20
Old Feb 08, 2009, 09:28 AM

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With the US economy the specialist role is often the first ones to get the axed. These jobs are nurse educators and CNS.
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No. 21
from rolland542
Old Feb 08, 2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverdragon102 View Post
Masters do come under EB2 but a lot will depend on country of birth and whether they can find employment using their masters. Even some countries in EB2 are affected by retrogression

To use H1b you should be a specialist as that is the nature of the work visa. Most if not all new grads will not be specialists and not meet H1b criteria

After consulting with my immigration attorney, she said that the EB2 visa would ONLY be used for a masters degree nurse IF that nurse was being paid an extraordinary salary such as research specialist or hospital administration etc. Additionally, the numbers are lower and the cutoffs earlier for those applying under the EB2.

The use of the H1B for nursing is quite common because they hire a nurse who has had 2 to 5 years experience in let's say NICU - who also holds a minimum of a bachelor's degree. That qualifies them as a specialist under USCIS rules for a H1B. There are numerous regulations for the visa applications, unfortunately, that are confusing to most non-attorneys. The requirements are not as simple as what reads on the USCIS website, and additionally, each case is based on it's own merits and the processing agent for USCIS.
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No. 22
Old Feb 08, 2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rolland542 View Post
After consulting with my immigration attorney, she said that the EB2 visa would ONLY be used for a masters degree nurse IF that nurse was being paid an extraordinary salary such as research specialist or hospital administration etc. Additionally, the numbers are lower and the cutoffs earlier for those applying under the EB2.

The use of the H1B for nursing is quite common because they hire a nurse who has had 2 to 5 years experience in let's say NICU - who also holds a minimum of a bachelor's degree. That qualifies them as a specialist under USCIS rules for a H1B. There are numerous regulations for the visa applications, unfortunately, that are confusing to most non-attorneys. The requirements are not as simple as what reads on the USCIS website, and additionally, each case is based on it's own merits and the processing agent for USCIS.
Which what I said, EB2 you will need to find employers accepting qualification and H1b is a specialist so having more than 2 years experience in a certain area may make you a specialist the employer may want further things like specialist course in say NICU ( using that as you did) New grads will not meet H1b requirements so not really an option for them.
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No. 23
from rolland542
Old Feb 08, 2009, 09:59 AM

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The use of the H1B for nursing is quite common because they hire a nurse who has had 2 to 5 years experience in let's say NICU - who also holds a minimum of a bachelor's degree.

When I said this, I was actually arguing with a previous posting on the blog. A specialized OCCUPATION is all that is required. The H1B is used by hospitals and facilities for both experienced and non-experienced workers. All they HAVE TO SHOW is that the new hire conforms with this description - "A specialty occupation requires theoretical and practical application of a body of specialized knowledge along with at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent. For example, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, business specialties, accounting, law, theology, and the arts are specialty occupations."



USCIS does not get into qualifying each individual application - they take it on the face of the application. If the employer qualifies the individual - they will get it (subject of course to the caps). Additionally - you can be qualified without the education portion, if you can prove that hold exceptionally specialized knowledge and hold an associates degree.
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No. 24
from rolland542
Old Feb 08, 2009, 10:01 AM

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I am curious - how many people posting answers to this nurses questions have actually worked in the United States under a visa from a foreign country?
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No. 25
from NRSKarenRN
Old Feb 08, 2009, 04:30 PM

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This is a scam website. I've deactivated link as google search today comes up with website caption belonging to a web designer from Nigeria. Site no longer active.

[img] http://www.screencast.com/users/NRSK...e-1517efc92d0d [/img]


About us website section stated

Foreign Healthcare Professionals Group is a recruiting firm in collaboration with Community Colleges and Universities in the US who offer intensive health care staff training and assimilation program. This unique educational program is a customized educational process, providing candidates with a concrete refresher course for LPNs and CNAs in Nursing Homes. This is on the job training for nursing staffs in Nursing Homes in the US.

On can not get into US on H1B visa unless already has BS degree, 2 yrs training and specialist credentials.

Education institution affiliated with: Adam University ---search finds they are borrowing on name of an associate degree program in Colorodo. Not listed under as approved program under Colorado Dept Higher Education: http://highered.colorado.gov/Academi.../directory.asp

Adams Nursing education program listing???

Continuing Education for the Nursing Industry
Continuing education and training of Nurses who provide supervision of LPN's and CNA's in small communities and in rural area nursing homes. How to provide the best supervision for LPN's and CNA's in nursing homes to insure quality patient care. Practical on-the-job strategies and techniques will be used. Various topics are offered. Medical safety awareness, handling crises situations, decision making, problem solving
Not collegiate level education but nothing more than a continuing education course-probably 8hrs.


The role of the clinical nurse trainer involves advancing and enhancing the role of the LPN nurse or CNA in general practice. This is undertaken by assessing competence within the LPN and CNA nursing discipline in general practice, supporting staff, advising on employment issues, and identifying learning needs and ways of addressing them.
If able to bring over instructors and supervisors, RN's would hired into SALARIED position: yearly rate for position no mater how many hours one works. So promise of overtime, not realistic. Position most often titled "Nurse Educator" especially in skilled nursing facilities. RN license , BSN often preferred; in hospitals MSN desired with 2-3 yrs experience.

See listings:
http://jobsearch.monster.com/Search....&lid=316&re=14


Did get this right:
Coloroado BON Licensing Requirements requires course by course review.
Examination

You should apply for a license by examination if:
  • You have completed a state approved professional nursing or practical nursing educational program and do not hold a license in another state or U.S. territory.
  • You were educated outside the U.S. or its territories, and are not licensed in another state or territory. However, you must first contact the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools (CGFNS) to request the credentials review titled Healthcare Profession and Science Course-by-Course Report
WALK AWAY QUICKLY from this too good to be true proposal before you and your money are quickly parted.
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No. 26
from suzanne4
Old Feb 08, 2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rolland542 View Post
Actually the numbers of green cards issued each year vary due to the fact that unused visas from the employment categories go into the pool for green cards. Absolutely, the number of qualified individuals in the pool will affect the time frame, but you are not actually in the pool for a green card until you get labor authorization, so your time frames are incorrect. You have included the time to get a labor authorization in that time frame.
Your 485 application is NOT processed until you receive the labor authorization and then it is filed and will not start until the biometric phase is done. Your family members do not fall under the employment part of the pool, they fall under the dependent area, but their applications cannot be made until you receive your labor authorization.
http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVA...16a4cb816838a4
You can find the information for this in the Immigration and Nationality Act, the direct link is above.

Additionally, the H1B visa is WIDELY used by facilities, as it is the only visa that would qualify a nurse with a BSN or higher degree from any other country besides Canada and Mexico which fall under the TN umbrella. There is a reason why the H1B quantities are used up so quickly each year. The numbers below reflect the caps and exemptions for April 1, 2009.
  • Reg. Cap (65,000 regular cap cases minus the C/S cap cases received)
  • C/S Cap (Chile/Singapore H-1B1s)
  • U.S. Masters (20,000 cap exemption for beneficiaries with U.S. Masters or higher degrees)
  • Exempt (for petitions filed by certain institutions of higher education; nonprofit organizations; and nonprofit research organizations or governmental research organizations, as defined in USCIS regulations)
The fast-track for green card allocation has not been in effect since 02/2007 when the number that was allotted by Congress ran out and was NOT renewed by Congress. It is expected that Congress will either a) create a new category for visas and fast track profile for green card application for nurses in the coming year or b) reallocate a number to the fast-tracked immigration program specifically for nurses. Currently, there are no changes on the floor for this but it being widely discussed.

They are also proposing to change the rules for immigration that spouses and children of TN applicants and for H1B would be able to work. This would be a simple rule change, not a law proposal....much the same as the rule change for TN visa length which was extended to 3 years from 1 year in 10/2008.

And I still stand by what I am saying. You are forgetting one small and most important part of everything and that is the fact that the US government is not even accepting the I-485 at this time and has not been for more than two years except for the small open window more than 18 months ago.

There is no reason to try and argue with me, what you are posting is still not valid for what is being discussed with this this specific program and that is what needs to be focused on at this time, not quoting from various sites that have no bearing on any of this at all.

And facilities are not using the H1-B visa all over, actually any hospital that is unionized is not permitted to use temporary work visas for employement per the union contract. TN Visas as well as the E3 from Australia are permitted since they are considered treaty visas and not temporary work visas.

Even if they were discussing spouses and children for the TN Visa at this time, there are also many Americans without work, so even for the TN Visa to be used, it is going to be harder at this time as well. There are many more problems that need to be addressed right now by the government here and this is not one of them.
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No. 27
from suzanne4
Old Feb 08, 2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yoginurse2b View Post
I wonder how easy it is to get a H1B visa with a Master in Nursing from the US compares with other type of Masters such as Science, Math and Technology? I have a friend who got his H1B easily with his Master in Food Science from NC State. I also read from previous posts that Master degree holders can apply for EB-2.
The job must require the Master's degree for entry level.

Most nurses that are getting hired are usually for the bedside initially and this not require the MSN, therefore the EB-2 could not be submitted for.

Your friend is also not working as a nurse.
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No. 28
from suzanne4
Old Feb 08, 2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rolland542 View Post
After consulting with my immigration attorney, she said that the EB2 visa would ONLY be used for a masters degree nurse IF that nurse was being paid an extraordinary salary such as research specialist or hospital administration etc. Additionally, the numbers are lower and the cutoffs earlier for those applying under the EB2.

The use of the H1B for nursing is quite common because they hire a nurse who has had 2 to 5 years experience in let's say NICU - who also holds a minimum of a bachelor's degree. That qualifies them as a specialist under USCIS rules for a H1B. There are numerous regulations for the visa applications, unfortunately, that are confusing to most non-attorneys. The requirements are not as simple as what reads on the USCIS website, and additionally, each case is based on it's own merits and the processing agent for USCIS.
The EB-2 actually requires that one be hired for job that requires a Master's degree for entry level to the specific job. Nothing at all to do with higher salary or anything else. This is a specific requirement of the US government.
And most visas for the EB-2 are actually current at this time, it is only for those from India and China that the dates are push-backed to almost the same as the EB-3. Nothing at all to do with salary or management, but what the entry level for that position requires.

And the use of the H1-B is actually not that common any longer for nurses and has not been over the past four years or so since nurses were fast-tracked for the green card, as they were before the retrogression started. The US government is actually investigating each and every H1-B visa that was issued because many were issued for those that were never considered specialists but actually were new grads with no experience anywhere. If the facility is unionized, in most cases they are not able to hire under the H1-B per the union contract. Only those under treaty visas or the green card can get hired in those.

There are most definitely not facilities all over the country and in locales that are even able to hire under the H1-B visa; you also forgot the little fact that it also takes a staff of three to complete all of the paperwork or these visas, and since facilities are having lay-offs this job is going to be one of the first to go as well. Next issue is that the facility still needs to prove at this time that they are unable to hire an American for the job. Adn with 10% unemployment plus in some locales, this is something that is not going to be easily done.
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No. 29
from suzanne4
Old Feb 08, 2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rolland542 View Post
The use of the H1B for nursing is quite common because they hire a nurse who has had 2 to 5 years experience in let's say NICU - who also holds a minimum of a bachelor's degree.

When I said this, I was actually arguing with a previous posting on the blog. A specialized OCCUPATION is all that is required. The H1B is used by hospitals and facilities for both experienced and non-experienced workers. All they HAVE TO SHOW is that the new hire conforms with this description - "A specialty occupation requires theoretical and practical application of a body of specialized knowledge along with at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent. For example, architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, medicine and health, education, business specialties, accounting, law, theology, and the arts are specialty occupations."



USCIS does not get into qualifying each individual application - they take it on the face of the application. If the employer qualifies the individual - they will get it (subject of course to the caps). Additionally - you can be qualified without the education portion, if you can prove that hold exceptionally specialized knowledge and hold an associates degree.
Sorry but new grads actually are not considered a specialist in any terms. They do not possess specialist skils and this is what the US government is currently investigating at this time. And for this very reason.

Notice that you do not see nursing listed there. And for many of the other areas of health care now, the minimum entry is actually a Master's degree to meet licensure requirements as a start.

And they most definitely do not have the skills to be practicing on their own as well. What you are saying just does not hold any water. Each and every new grad must go thru a specific orientation/training program and there is not one facility that will put them out on the floor on their own right from the start. This would be a specialist, one that does not need the orientation if you wish to look at from that angle.

Can I then ask to what level of work or experience that you do have and also what type of visa that you are working under at this time?
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