applying reciprocityin canada

  1. 0 GOOd day!:spin:


    i became an RN in the philippines after passing the board exams last june 2008.


    i am confused about what one staff nurse told me. She graduated year 2004. She has a visa screen, passed CGFNS, NCLEX, IELTS, but she complains about the long wait visa for the US so she opts to go to canada instead. she told me if you passed the NCLEX, you are not required anymore to get a refresher course or have schooling in canada for 6 months. how true is this? does this depend on what state you applied in the USA? or does it depend on the province you would like to transfer in canada? please enlighten me.


    if this is true, i would do the same. i also plan to to go to canada. thank you!
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  3. Visit  5cats profile page
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    What nonsense!
    Canada and the USA are 2 very different countries with very different healthsystems, if you have passed NCLEX doesn't interest at all, sorry. You will have to apply at the College of Nursing or Association in the Province where you want to work, they will assess you indiviually and then make their decision.

    5cats
  4. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    I have also moved this thread to the International Forum since it is dealing with licensure questions.

    And as mentioned above, there is no such thing as reciprocity for Canada. One needs to apply there and be accepted and then take and pass their licensing exam called the CRNE.

    There is no such thing to what you have posted, and it is also specific to a program that they had in Alberta, but one was also placed in the role of the LPN, and not that of the RN as well. And this program is no longer available since there were so many issues with it.

    Things also have to do with if one has actual experience or not as well. This plays a part on what Canada will require. If one graduated several years ago and is working as a "staff nurse" then they have experience behind them to count as well.

    Reciprocity means that one is automatically accepted and that their credentials are automatically accepted.
    And this cannot be further from the truth.

    Please take the time to do some reading on this site, there is much information that you need to be aware of.

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    Next consideration that you need to be aware of is the fact that Canada does not have unlimited visas available as a start and their economy is also having issues, just like the US. Someone with experience is always going to take a lead step over someone without any.

    Best of luck to you.
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  5. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime profile page
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    Quote from suzanne4
    There is no such thing to what you have posted, and it is also specific to a program that they had in Alberta, but one was also placed in the role of the LPN, and not that of the RN as well. And this program is no longer available since there were so many issues with it.
    Actually it was never a "program". It was more of an exercise in damage control because the health regions had recruited people, brought them over to Alberta at great expense and THEN started assessing their suitability for the job. They found that the education these nurses had received was not equivalent to the BScN that Alberta nurses receive but only that of our LPN education. The people were already here and a lot of time, effort and money had already been spent on the recruitment, so the health regions had to go to Plan B, which they made up as they went along. The group of nurses affected by this boo-boo wrote their LPN licensure exam in January and the results should be out any day now. I have it on good authority that several of them did not even make it to the exam phase due to clinical competency issues and have already returned to the Philippines, and at least one or two have found a back door into the US, which was their primary goal in the first place. Rumour has it that, pass or fail, the remaining candidates will be licensed. This has set off alarm bells everywhere, but without whistle-blower protection in this province, the public will never know.
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  6. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    And since there are no legal back door entries into the US and no visas available; wonder how they are surviving here.

    Unfotunately, more than likely it is going to be working illegal since they never had the required experience as an RN to be considered a specialist.

    Scary indeed.
  7. Visit  janelf profile page
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    Hi, I really underdstand that NCLEX (USA) and CRNE (CANADA) are both different things. I guess why most of us foreign educated nurses think that there's a reciprocity between these two regulatory board is the countries (USA-CANADA) close ties. But I know though USA and CANADA are pretty much close to each other, interms of trade, land procimity, financial and busniess apects, etc. the nursing regulatory board for each country are not run by the government. These are self governing. So it's the same, that if your licensed here it doesn't mean that you can work as a nurse in US. You still have to take the NCLEX.

    I have a question, In the US, they have reciprocity within their state. What I mean to say is that, if you are licensed in New York you could apply for reciprocity and could work in California, am I right?
    Does canada have this too? I mean, what if you are licensed in the province of BC, can you apply for reciprocity and work in Ontario or Alberta?

    Thank you. Please correct me if I am wrong, I would appreciate it.
  8. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime profile page
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    Quote from suzanne4
    And since there are no legal back door entries into the US and no visas available; wonder how they are surviving here.

    Unfotunately, more than likely it is going to be working illegal since they never had the required experience as an RN to be considered a specialist.

    Scary indeed.
    This guy apparently has been petitioned by a family member (who allegedly runs a day home of some sort) under the family unification thing. Of course if this guy is working it'll be as an illegal.

    Quote from janelf
    I have a question, In the US, they have reciprocity within their state. What I mean to say is that, if you are licensed in New York you could apply for reciprocity and could work in California, am I right?
    Does canada have this too? I mean, what if you are licensed in the province of BC, can you apply for reciprocity and work in Ontario or Alberta?
    Yes, it's possible but it's not automatic. You still have to meet the new province's eligibility requirements. Most provinces are now requiring a degree for entry to practice and there are some regional differences in education. So when a nurse in Nova Scotia, for example, wants to move to BC, CRNBC will want school transcripts, registration verification, a criminal records check, and so on, even if the applicant has been a Canadian citizen their whole lives. Applications are assessed individually and any conditions that might be determined by the receiving province have to be satisfied before the registration is complete.
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  9. Visit  janelf profile page
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    thank's janfrn.
    By the way, I know some people who went to Alberta and saskatchewan with that type of processing. They went there as graduate nurses, but they were issued working permits, and are waiting to take the exam for LPN. I am not sure if they already took it. And for those who already passed the NCLEX they don't have to take the LPN exam anymore. So they are just waiting to sit for the CRNE. I have no questions about that but it does look to me that NCLEX is only at LPN level in Canada. Since people who did passed the nclex doesn't have to take the lpn exam anymore? Any people here who knows something about this?
    Actually it really varies from province to province.
    So, are these exercises that they have in the said provinces still present? Thank's.
  10. Visit  5cats profile page
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    There seem to be a big confusion around. NCLEX has NOTHING to do with Canada, it's the US state exam for Nurses. It doesn't matter if you passed NCLEX as an IEN. It's like if you pass the Mexican state exam, it's another north american country.
    What counts is your education whereever you received it, your home nursing exam and registration plus maybe work experience (in case your education is lacking for instance).
    Again Canada and USA are 2 different countries, they happen to be neighbors and they have certain agreements. Like Mexico and the States.

    5cats
  11. Visit  Fiona59 profile page
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    JANELF:

    To put it bluntly, the nurses who were permitted to work as LPNs needed a lot of handholding and skill development to get them up to the requirements of an LPN in the province of Alberta. Many nurses are very unimpressed at the quality of nursing education that a BScN in the Phillipines are obtaining. If they can't work at the level of a local new grad PN, they really shouldn't be given more opportunities than locally educated people.

    They will only be able to write the CRNE if and when they complete the required education upgrades because their BScN from the Phillipines was assessed to be the equivalent of the college diploma issued in Alberta.
  12. Visit  janelf profile page
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    Thank's guys.
    Actually I already know that US and Canada are two different countries which also have different requirements and regulatory board for nursing. Nclex does not give you the right to practice nursing in Canada and CRNE also does not give you the right to practice nursing in USA.
    I was just curious with the way other people obtained their job in Alberta and maybe SAS through that way. It did came to my head before, but I did not pursue for it looked complicated for me.
    But, with regards to my friend who passed NCLEX, she's now working as an LPN in Edmonton while waiting to sit for the CRNE this coming June.
    Thank you.
  13. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime profile page
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    There will be no more nurses from anywhere outside of Canada being permitted to work as LPNs in this way. Please see my other posts on the subject. As well, as of April 1, all of Alberta will be contained in a single health region under a superboard. Calgary Health Region has already ceased recruiting IENs and the rest of the province will follow along.
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  14. Visit  suzanne4 profile page
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    Quote from janelf
    Hi, I really underdstand that NCLEX (USA) and CRNE (CANADA) are both different things. I guess why most of us foreign educated nurses think that there's a reciprocity between these two regulatory board is the countries (USA-CANADA) close ties. But I know though USA and CANADA are pretty much close to each other, interms of trade, land procimity, financial and busniess apects, etc. the nursing regulatory board for each country are not run by the government. These are self governing. So it's the same, that if your licensed here it doesn't mean that you can work as a nurse in US. You still have to take the NCLEX.

    I have a question, In the US, they have reciprocity within their state. What I mean to say is that, if you are licensed in New York you could apply for reciprocity and could work in California, am I right?
    Does canada have this too? I mean, what if you are licensed in the province of BC, can you apply for reciprocity and work in Ontario or Alberta?

    Thank you. Please correct me if I am wrong, I would appreciate it.
    In the US, we actually do not have reciprocity with licenses. This is incorrect information that we see mention of all of the time. Only the NCLEX exam has reciprocity and that means that the results are valid in all 50 states as well as US territories.

    You would be applying for licensure in the new state and would have to meet their licensing requirements. Just because one has been given permission to sit for the NCLEX for one state does not mean that their educational program will meet the requirements for all of the other states. Even programs in the US do not meet the licensing requirements for all of the states.

    And for Canada, the same holds true. You would be endorsing your license to the other province, there is no reciprocity step that you go thru.
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    If an American wishes to work in Canada, then they need to apply for licensure, have their evaluation completed and then write the CRNE exam. No credit for the NCLEX exam is given. Same thing for the Canadian that wishes to work in the US, they have to meet the requirements for licensure and write the NCLEX exam.

    States do not have reciprocity, so why do you think that countries would?


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