Indiana state university lvn-rn program question - page 2
Im an lvn graduate. A friend of mine in california told me about an online school called indiana state university. He said that you can take an lvn to rn program. also, he told me its accredited in... Read More
1Feb 4, '13 by kelley32It's important to keep in mind that if a student wants to be qualified for NCLEX exam at the end of a program, the school needs to be approved by the Board, CA BRN in this case. You can check yourself that ISU is no longer listed as approved out of state school in CA (Board of Registered Nursing - Approved Programs ). The question of a new partnership has not even come up on any of the recent agendas for CA BRN meetings, see here Board of Registered Nursing - Meetings The approval, when done correctly, is a lengthy process, so far there is no indication that it even started, much less completed. I would be very sceptical of any updates you get unless they are backed up by facts you can verify.
0Feb 4, '13 by HannaBeeRegarding Kelly32, I don't work for ISU and I have no reason to relate this info. It is truly amazing how many people love to rain on the parades of other people's lives. I spoke - well if anyone wants to private email me I will let you know - but why Kelly32 felt compelled to convince everyone else to be skeptical of what I wrote is beyond me. Since I joined allnurses it is amazing how many people are just not really on your side here. They just want to cast a cloud on everything. I really don't care if anyone believes me, I am not lying about this, have no reason to. No motivation to. Really Kelly32, what is your motivation? It seems too many people are only too happy it has been difficult to go from LVN to RN in the state of California. Just because the CABRN got Excelsior dismissed, doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA.
0Feb 5, '13 by HannaBeebut everyone is entitled to their opinion and I want to apologize if my last last post sounded a bit edgy (and rude)! If I could delete it I would! unfortunately I can't. I just wanted to share good news. My source couldn't be better and she has no reason to lie to me about this. "backed up with facts" makes me laugh...and skeptical is spelled with a k...ok ok...whatever, don't believe me...I rarely go to allnurses.com, I only went on here specifically to share good news...that is all. Peace out!
0[QUOTE=HannaBee;7154858]Regarding Kelly32, I don't work for ISU and I have no reason to relate this info. It is truly amazing how many people love to rain on the parades of other people's lives. I spoke - well if anyone wants to private email me I will let you know - but why Kelly32 felt compelled to convince everyone else to be skeptical of what I wrote is beyond me. Since I joined allnurses it is amazing how many people are just not really on your side here. They just want to cast a cloud on everything. I really don't care if anyone believes me, I am not lying about this, have no reason to. No motivation to. Really Kelly32, what is your motivation? It seems too many people are only too happy it has been difficult to go from LVN to RN in the state of California. Just because the CABRN got Excelsior dismissed, doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA.[/QUOTE]
HannaBee: what Kelly32 imparted is the truth. I have been following the CA BRN meetings, their agenda, and their webcasts--as well as the Education committee. So far, nothing has been mentioned about ISU. Considering the fact that ISU really pulled a fast one on the CA BRN and the Calif nursing students, I would imagine that there will be no secret or back room deals between the CA BRN and ISU. I would imagine that everthing that ISU does will be publically announced and discussed--per Calif Professional Code and the nurse practice act/code.
ISU must locate a university to hook up with. The CA BRN previously stated--before it found out that it was illegally scammed by the ISU nursing department--that the Board would allow ISU to keep the information it provided before Oct 2012, and add to it when it hooks up with another university. Yet, there is much would that would also have to be done beyone what ISU previously submitted in September 2012.
I want to emphasize--nothing publically has been discussed or published about ISU and a new partner. If ISU does acquire a new Calif university partner, all the paperwork must be submitted to the education committee and be evaluated. If it passes, it would go to the Board for discussion and/or vote. Getting a nursing school approved is not an easy process and is costly. At the present ISU and its partner TCN have hired a professional Calif lobby firm as well as attorneys. This cost a considerable amount of money--but hey, ISU has deep pockets as it is funded by the taxpayers of Indiana. ISU went through all the work to get accepted but the work they provided in 2007 was fradulent; once the ISU fraud was uncovered, ISU did all in its power to cover up the fraud. Sad, had ISU done the proper work in 2007 and been honest with the Board and its Calif students, the Calif students would not be in the precarious position the students are in.
You mentioned: "Really Kelly32, what is your motivation? It seems too many people are only too happy it has been difficult to go from LVN to RN in the state of California. Just because the CABRN got Excelsior dismissed, doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA." I would imagine Kelly32's motivation is to protect other Calif students from a university who has a track reord of offering a fraudulent nursing program that only financially benefited ISU and its partners.
As far as Excelsior being "dismissed" by the CA BRN--you have it wrong. The Calif Business and Professional code (which the CA BRN must strickly follow) states clearly that students can work in a nursing facility and provide nursing only if they are enrolled in both CONCURRENT didactid (lecture) and clinical classes through the nursing school. Excelsior DOES NOT HAVE CLINICALs, which breached the Calif Business and Professional Code. This ended Excelsior's approval in Calif. Because ISU also DID NOT HAVE consistent concurrent didactic with its clinicals--because it could not place most of their students in clinicals--ISU breached the Calif Business and Professional Code.
Additionally, ISU had to be linked with a Calif university, a university that had an approved nursing school and the partner had to run the clinicals in Callif. However, ISU lied to the CA BRN. It did not link with an approved Calif unversity nursing school. It did link with the extension program of Sonoma State but that was not an approved nursing school. Further, Sonoma State did not run/administer or hire clinnical instructors for the program. It was ISU who did this. This is all against the Calif Business and Professional code and the Calif BRN nurse practice act.
To make matters worse, because ISU breached the Codea, their Calif students were not protected by the Code and the students were practicing nursing without a license--per the CA BRN attorney (see the November Board meeting webcase).
Bottom line: those students who trusted the ISU nursing administratin and the school to provide a quality, accredited, and aproved program that adhered to the Calif Nurse Practice Act and the California Business and Professional Code, were left with egg on their face. They paid good money and have nothing to show for it. Not only did they get taken advantaged of but, the ISU nursing school in Calif put those students in jeopardy of being PROSECUTED FOR PRACTICING NURSING WITHOUT A LICENSE.
Kelly32 spoke the truth. I have knowledge of the issues, the facts, been at the CA meetings, and have transcripts of the CA BRN webcasts. I have no ax to grind other than I blieve that a State university should adhere to the law and not take advantage of its students or anyone else. ISU has a rule of student conduct but ISU not only breached its own rules but California laws.
As far as the California Board of Registered Nursing "doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA." Here's a shocker: The Calif Board of RN does not 'play' God. For all Calif RNs, RN students, and nursing schools who wish to obtain and maintain an accreditation in Calif, the CA BRN is a god--in California. If ISU could not play by the rules, then they do not get the right to be an authorized Calif nursing school. Those are the facts and they can be easily checked by reviewing the September and November 2012 CA BRN Board meeting webcasts for those dates.Last edit by puppskmm on Feb 7, '13
0Quote from HannaBeeYou mentioned: My source couldn't be better and she has no reason to lie to me about this. "backed up with facts" makes me laugh...and skeptical is spelled with a k...ok ok...whatever, don't believe me...I rarely go to allnurses.com, I only went on here specifically to share good news...that is all.but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I want to apologize if my last last post sounded a bit edgy (and rude)! If I could delete it I would! unfortunately I can't. I just wanted to share good news. My source couldn't be better and she has no reason to lie to me about this. "backed up with facts" makes me laugh...and skeptical is spelled with a k...ok ok...whatever, don't believe me...I rarely go to allnurses.com, I only went on here specifically to share good news...that is all. Peace out!
With all due respect, I would be very skeptical of anything that ISU says unless it is backed up with documention from the CA BRN educational committee and the Board. Talk is cheap, especially when it comes from ISU--who has yet to apologize or take responsibility for the huge fraud it fostered upon the Calif LVN to BSN students.
As far as spellinng errors--who cares. I often make spelling mistakes when typing and sometimes never see them when proofreading. I would imagine there is an error or two on my recent posts. Instead, you may want to concentrate on the content of the post.
0Quote from HannaBeeA new LVN to BSN program offered by ISU in Calif by Feb 2013--no way! It has not been publically discussed in the Ed Committee agenda, it has not been approved by the ed committee, and it has not been presented to the Calif BRN board for consideration. Next Board meeting is April. If not approved in April, ISU would have until the Board breaks for summer to get their ducks in a row or everything would have to wait until September. Would be interesting to see if the ISU LVN to BSN program is on the agenda.ISU will be up and running in California soon again. They are currently finalizing things. Could be as early as the end of Feb 2013. Yes, next month.
Now, ISU might hook up with an existing nursing school, but the information would still have to be made public, discussed in the ed committee, on its agenda, voted and then submitted to the Board for its consideration. Even if it did hook up, ISU is months off from offering a new program in Calif.
0Feb 7, '13 by HannaBeeWow, what a long concerned post! I am not that interested. Not that concerned. Whether they get approved again or not, in CA, as they are approved in a majority of US states, will not impact my life one bit.
ISU has no money from me. I don't work for them. I really don't care. Maybe someone does, not me. I was relating info.
They called me. On the phone. I never called them. I never complained to them. I never emailed them about this.
As far as Excelsior, my husband looked at all the legal documents, he is a lawyer, and called it a "******* contest".
But please go warn everyone. I would rather just delete my post because it seems to have raised people's BP...but for whatever reason, you can't delete a post here.
I abhor internet arguments. They are really stupid, petty and cowardly. I am on this site 1-2 times a year at most.
I have seen posts about things I could have helped with but didn't because, judging by responses to certain posts, I have long suspected that this message board is monitored closely by the CA BRN. Kelly's post contained 2 links to the CA BRN. Your posts talk about all these meetings you attend and video of meetings you have??? Really? Who would do that if they didn't work for the CA BRN.
Your sarcasm is wasted though. I know you giggle and think you are very clever as you press the "post comment" button. Like I said, a wasted effort.
But freedom of speech is understood as a multi-faceted right that includes not only the right to express, or disseminate, information and ideas, but three further distinct aspects:
- the right to seek information and ideas;
- the right to receive information and ideas;
- the right to impart information and ideas
So stop the attacks as internet arguments are an extremely foolish waste of time and energy.
By all means, inform the masses of how misinformed I am. I know it makes you feel good and I wouldn't want to spoil that.
I am going to turn my notifications off and get back to helping people in the real world and not the cyber world.
0Feb 8, '13 by Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN Senior ModeratorI don't think anyone was trying to offend you and this board might be monitored by the CA BRN as this is a public site that is available and viewed by the general public. I am sorry you felt attacked....but as you said everyone is entitled to their opinion....it is a public site. Everyone will have their own perception and opinion on what is posted....I don't feel anyone meant it as a personal attack. As per the Terms of ServiceWe promote the idea of lively debate. This means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. Additionally, please refrain from name-calling. This is divisive, rude, and derails the thread.
Our first priority is to the members that have come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks. We will not tolerate anyone insulting other's opinion nor name calling.
Our call is to be supportive, not divisive
I wish you the best.
0Feb 8, '13 by trendelenburgI am a CA resident, enrolled in a contract with TCN, gearing up to start in Fall with ISU's BSN program. Just found out today, through a phone call initiated by me, that SSU didn't extent their accreditation extension an the ISU isn't offering the program to CA residents anymore.
I called TCN, spoke with a supervisor there, who assured me they are very close to starting a new partnership In CA and that I should continue with my course work as I have nothing to worry about.
Just found this website... looks like I have plenty to worry about.
Who can advise me?
0I never meant to upset anyone. Honestly. Allnurses has been a support for me! I used it mostly as I was studying for the NCLEX-PN. However, I was just trying to share what I thought was good news but maybe the person that called me, I have no idea why she gave me a personal phone call, but maybe she wasn't telling the truth. It just seems to call someone out of the blue, who hasn't complained at all, was strange - but to me "these things happen"- so I wasn't all upset or anything. My life won't change with a BSN. I already have a BA and there is only one thing an RN can do in CA that an LVN can not do and that is hang an IV drip. Although it happens all the time. There is little scope difference and I don't need the extra money.
However, I am going to ask allnurses to delete my posts and me if necessary. I am rarely on here and when I think of all the time some people spent on their responses to me, for some reason people get really inflamed by all of this.
I will tell allnurses to have a look at this thread, if they haven't already, and to feel free to delete my posts and delete me.
This forum is supposed to be support for nurses, period! and I know if we were all sitting in person talking, the discussions would be different as people tend to say things on the net they wouldn't say in person.
0by the way...there was no investment of my time for ISU as I have all the pre-reqs from my BA. I have made no investment of time or money. If they are up and running again, fine, if not, fine. I applied because might as well get a BSN. I had everything required and would have just gone into the Stage where you take 4 challenge exams. That does cost something, but I wasn't there yet so it doesn't matter. My advice would be to just hang in there and see. There seem to be people who don't want to see this happen and they are very discouraging. Just try to filter things and go about your life if all I can think.
0No doubt they need to make things more accessible in CA. Every place I've worked there is a nurse shortage and I am often asked to work a double and I never want to but sometimes do out of concern for patients. We all went through a school for the LVN, if they insist everyone go through a brick and mortar school for the RN, they need to open up more programs.