Indiana state university lvn-rn program question - page 2

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Im an lvn graduate. A friend of mine in california told me about an online school called indiana state university. He said that you can take an lvn to rn program. also, he told me its accredited in the state of california and can... Read More


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    Quote from SOTC2011
    Stay far away from Indiana State!! i was one of the 141 students that were caught up in the mess in CA. Luckily, I was only in my first semester. The fashion in which ISU handled this situation was atrocious. It took me over 2 months to get a partial refund and I had to fight for that. They stopped returning all emails and phone calls. The administration at ISU is deceitful, and does not care about students whatsoever. STAY CLEAR OF THIS PROGRAM!!!
    ISU did not return your emails or phone calls--did that give you any indication that the School is fradulent? Since you were in the first semester, you did no clinicals. You have not been declared by the CA BRN as practicing nursing without a license because as a student who was not in concurrent didactic and clinicals, the nursing student exemption that covers nursing students in clinicals did not apply. Thanks to ISU's fraud, mismanagement, and malfeasance, ISU put all those students who took clinicals which were not concurrent, the students are at risk for a misdemeanor.

    Now ISU is attempting to do the same with another California university nursing school. Iwould imagine that the California BRN will check everything ISU submits because ISU lied and mislead the Board--according to the BRN. California State Universities will have nothing to do with ISU. Possibly some private school who may wish to link with ISU because the distant learning nursing program is worth millions.

    Since you have acceptd ISU's settlement, then that is the end of the issue for you. For others, they are seeking other venues for full reimbursement.
    Last edit by traumaRUs on Dec 6, '12 : Reason: Deleted name
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    Quote from ScarletDreams
    Is it true that ISU is only required to place CA students in clinical sites? When did this come in effect?
    The Califoria Nurse Practice Act and the Business and Professional Code specifically states that California nursing schools MUST PROVIDE CONCURRENT didact and clinical classes. Failiure to provide concurrent classes means that those students (as in the ISU nursing students) are not covered under the exemption that allows nursing students to work in a clincal with it is part of the didactic program. Without concurrency, the ISU students were PRACTICING NURSING WITHOUT A LICENSE--as anounced by the CA BRN in its November Board meeting--and have committed a misdemeanor and they can be prosecuted, wile ISU remains free to pull the same scam on other students.
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    ISU will be up and running in California soon again. They are currently finalizing things. Could be as early as the end of Feb 2013. Yes, next month.

    I was told today they are finalizing clinical sites with the VA. Could be up as early as next month, the end of next month (February). Fall 2013 at the latest. All does not appear to be lost. I am not affiliated with ISU at all, just another person who was very close to getting into the program and then left to hang. They called me personally today to tell me this. When they are up again, they are planning to contact all the CA students.
    Last edit by JustBeachyNurse on Jan 18, '13
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    I hope they start up again.....ISU is my backup plan...can anyone tell me how much is the program tuition with and without pre-reqs?
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    It's important to keep in mind that if a student wants to be qualified for NCLEX exam at the end of a program, the school needs to be approved by the Board, CA BRN in this case. You can check yourself that ISU is no longer listed as approved out of state school in CA (Board of Registered Nursing - Approved Programs ). The question of a new partnership has not even come up on any of the recent agendas for CA BRN meetings, see here Board of Registered Nursing - Meetings The approval, when done correctly, is a lengthy process, so far there is no indication that it even started, much less completed. I would be very sceptical of any updates you get unless they are backed up by facts you can verify.
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    Regarding Kelly32, I don't work for ISU and I have no reason to relate this info. It is truly amazing how many people love to rain on the parades of other people's lives. I spoke - well if anyone wants to private email me I will let you know - but why Kelly32 felt compelled to convince everyone else to be skeptical of what I wrote is beyond me. Since I joined allnurses it is amazing how many people are just not really on your side here. They just want to cast a cloud on everything. I really don't care if anyone believes me, I am not lying about this, have no reason to. No motivation to. Really Kelly32, what is your motivation? It seems too many people are only too happy it has been difficult to go from LVN to RN in the state of California. Just because the CABRN got Excelsior dismissed, doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA.
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    but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I want to apologize if my last last post sounded a bit edgy (and rude)! If I could delete it I would! unfortunately I can't. I just wanted to share good news. My source couldn't be better and she has no reason to lie to me about this. "backed up with facts" makes me laugh...and skeptical is spelled with a k...ok ok...whatever, don't believe me...I rarely go to allnurses.com, I only went on here specifically to share good news...that is all. Peace out!
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    [QUOTE=HannaBee;7154858]Regarding Kelly32, I don't work for ISU and I have no reason to relate this info. It is truly amazing how many people love to rain on the parades of other people's lives. I spoke - well if anyone wants to private email me I will let you know - but why Kelly32 felt compelled to convince everyone else to be skeptical of what I wrote is beyond me. Since I joined allnurses it is amazing how many people are just not really on your side here. They just want to cast a cloud on everything. I really don't care if anyone believes me, I am not lying about this, have no reason to. No motivation to. Really Kelly32, what is your motivation? It seems too many people are only too happy it has been difficult to go from LVN to RN in the state of California. Just because the CABRN got Excelsior dismissed, doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA.[/QUOTE]

    HannaBee: what Kelly32 imparted is the truth. I have been following the CA BRN meetings, their agenda, and their webcasts--as well as the Education committee. So far, nothing has been mentioned about ISU. Considering the fact that ISU really pulled a fast one on the CA BRN and the Calif nursing students, I would imagine that there will be no secret or back room deals between the CA BRN and ISU. I would imagine that everthing that ISU does will be publically announced and discussed--per Calif Professional Code and the nurse practice act/code.

    ISU must locate a university to hook up with. The CA BRN previously stated--before it found out that it was illegally scammed by the ISU nursing department--that the Board would allow ISU to keep the information it provided before Oct 2012, and add to it when it hooks up with another university. Yet, there is much would that would also have to be done beyone what ISU previously submitted in September 2012.

    I want to emphasize--nothing publically has been discussed or published about ISU and a new partner. If ISU does acquire a new Calif university partner, all the paperwork must be submitted to the education committee and be evaluated. If it passes, it would go to the Board for discussion and/or vote. Getting a nursing school approved is not an easy process and is costly. At the present ISU and its partner TCN have hired a professional Calif lobby firm as well as attorneys. This cost a considerable amount of money--but hey, ISU has deep pockets as it is funded by the taxpayers of Indiana. ISU went through all the work to get accepted but the work they provided in 2007 was fradulent; once the ISU fraud was uncovered, ISU did all in its power to cover up the fraud. Sad, had ISU done the proper work in 2007 and been honest with the Board and its Calif students, the Calif students would not be in the precarious position the students are in.

    You mentioned: "Really Kelly32, what is your motivation? It seems too many people are only too happy it has been difficult to go from LVN to RN in the state of California. Just because the CABRN got Excelsior dismissed, doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA." I would imagine Kelly32's motivation is to protect other Calif students from a university who has a track reord of offering a fraudulent nursing program that only financially benefited ISU and its partners.

    As far as Excelsior being "dismissed" by the CA BRN--you have it wrong. The Calif Business and Professional code (which the CA BRN must strickly follow) states clearly that students can work in a nursing facility and provide nursing only if they are enrolled in both CONCURRENT didactid (lecture) and clinical classes through the nursing school. Excelsior DOES NOT HAVE CLINICALs, which breached the Calif Business and Professional Code. This ended Excelsior's approval in Calif. Because ISU also DID NOT HAVE consistent concurrent didactic with its clinicals--because it could not place most of their students in clinicals--ISU breached the Calif Business and Professional Code.

    Additionally, ISU had to be linked with a Calif university, a university that had an approved nursing school and the partner had to run the clinicals in Callif. However, ISU lied to the CA BRN. It did not link with an approved Calif unversity nursing school. It did link with the extension program of Sonoma State but that was not an approved nursing school. Further, Sonoma State did not run/administer or hire clinnical instructors for the program. It was ISU who did this. This is all against the Calif Business and Professional code and the Calif BRN nurse practice act.

    To make matters worse, because ISU breached the Codea, their Calif students were not protected by the Code and the students were practicing nursing without a license--per the CA BRN attorney (see the November Board meeting webcase).

    Bottom line: those students who trusted the ISU nursing administratin and the school to provide a quality, accredited, and aproved program that adhered to the Calif Nurse Practice Act and the California Business and Professional Code, were left with egg on their face. They paid good money and have nothing to show for it. Not only did they get taken advantaged of but, the ISU nursing school in Calif put those students in jeopardy of being PROSECUTED FOR PRACTICING NURSING WITHOUT A LICENSE.

    Kelly32 spoke the truth. I have knowledge of the issues, the facts, been at the CA meetings, and have transcripts of the CA BRN webcasts. I have no ax to grind other than I blieve that a State university should adhere to the law and not take advantage of its students or anyone else. ISU has a rule of student conduct but ISU not only breached its own rules but California laws.

    As far as the California Board of Registered Nursing "doesn't mean they are going to be able to play God with every program in CA." Here's a shocker: The Calif Board of RN does not 'play' God. For all Calif RNs, RN students, and nursing schools who wish to obtain and maintain an accreditation in Calif, the CA BRN is a god--in California. If ISU could not play by the rules, then they do not get the right to be an authorized Calif nursing school. Those are the facts and they can be easily checked by reviewing the September and November 2012 CA BRN Board meeting webcasts for those dates.
    Last edit by puppskmm on Feb 7, '13
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    Quote from HannaBee
    but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I want to apologize if my last last post sounded a bit edgy (and rude)! If I could delete it I would! unfortunately I can't. I just wanted to share good news. My source couldn't be better and she has no reason to lie to me about this. "backed up with facts" makes me laugh...and skeptical is spelled with a k...ok ok...whatever, don't believe me...I rarely go to allnurses.com, I only went on here specifically to share good news...that is all. Peace out!
    You mentioned: My source couldn't be better and she has no reason to lie to me about this. "backed up with facts" makes me laugh...and skeptical is spelled with a k...ok ok...whatever, don't believe me...I rarely go to allnurses.com, I only went on here specifically to share good news...that is all.

    With all due respect, I would be very skeptical of anything that ISU says unless it is backed up with documention from the CA BRN educational committee and the Board. Talk is cheap, especially when it comes from ISU--who has yet to apologize or take responsibility for the huge fraud it fostered upon the Calif LVN to BSN students.

    As far as spellinng errors--who cares. I often make spelling mistakes when typing and sometimes never see them when proofreading. I would imagine there is an error or two on my recent posts. Instead, you may want to concentrate on the content of the post.

    Peace out
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    Quote from HannaBee
    ISU will be up and running in California soon again. They are currently finalizing things. Could be as early as the end of Feb 2013. Yes, next month.
    A new LVN to BSN program offered by ISU in Calif by Feb 2013--no way! It has not been publically discussed in the Ed Committee agenda, it has not been approved by the ed committee, and it has not been presented to the Calif BRN board for consideration. Next Board meeting is April. If not approved in April, ISU would have until the Board breaks for summer to get their ducks in a row or everything would have to wait until September. Would be interesting to see if the ISU LVN to BSN program is on the agenda.

    Now, ISU might hook up with an existing nursing school, but the information would still have to be made public, discussed in the ed committee, on its agenda, voted and then submitted to the Board for its consideration. Even if it did hook up, ISU is months off from offering a new program in Calif.


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