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No. 10
from tabster224
Old Aug 01, 2009, 08:44 PM

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I know about 10 years ago, I was told that same thing ***if a client is able to drive, even if it is a specially equipped automobile, he or she does not satisfy the homebound requirement.***
Several years ago, that became, a patient can drive infrequently and that does not mean they do not meet the homebound status. A patient can still be considered homebound as long as when he drives it is infrequently, and it is a taxing effort for him to leave home. If they can not find someone to drive them to the doctors office for an appointment, but it is a taxing effort for them to drive, they are still considered homebound. Just because a patient doesn't leave home does not make him homebound either. The operative word in homebound status whether they drive or not is, is it a "taxing" effort for the person to leave home. Do they, when they go to the doctor's office (again, whether they drive or not) do they become S.O.B. and have to take frequent rest periods when they are out, or become extremely fatigued (do they go home and have to sleep for half a day). Homebound status like I said does not just mean the patient stays home and doesn't go anywhere, it means that if they do go out it is a taxing effort for them to leave. This is the way I understand it. I could be wrong but that is how the agency I work for looks at it.
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No. 11
from paddler
Old Aug 15, 2009, 01:53 AM

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Thanks for your replies! I do use the "taxing effort" as my guide and sometimes it's tricky eliciting a straight answer, taking a few tries to explain what "taxing effort" even means, in layman's terms. I do feel I have a good grip on homebound-ness and that some of our other nurses probably don't even ask about it! I say this because even for patients who may be new to me but on service with other nurses for months some seem bewildered about the question as though they have never heard it before. I've had other patients ask me if I am some kind of supervisor or charge nurse because I ask way more questions than the other nurses. So, maybe that is why I am singled out, because I am one of few people doing No-go's or discharging people for non-homebound status... because I bother to ask! Unfortunately, there are not many home health employemnt options in my area... so unless they axe the ineffectual middle management and start fresh... I'm out of luck.
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No. 12
from cathrn64
Old Aug 15, 2009, 11:55 PM

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I have worked in homecare for 18 yrs. I have always been told that if the pt can (and do) drive they are NOT homebound!
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No. 13
from mauxtav8r
Old Aug 16, 2009, 06:52 AM

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As I understand MCS/Medicare regs, in the past 2 decades the rules for homebound status have changed from 1) if you say you are homebound, then you are homebound, because Medicare didn't really require as much checking (this obviously led to many abuses and lots of very wealthy HH agency owners), to 2) if you ever leave your home, you are non-homebound, meaning if you drive ever you are non-homebound, to 3) the "taxing effort" definition which has no relationship to driving ability and only assesses pt's ability-not-willingness to go out of the home on a regular basis. This definition allows for rare but important family events, doctor's appts, even regular worship services (not 5 times a week, but a sermon on Sunday then home is ok -- as long as the patient is not breezing through this and it is a taxing effort).
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No. 14
from paddler
Old Aug 16, 2009, 01:22 PM

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One time during an admit assessment I asked an elderly patient and her daughter if it is difficult to leave the home in any way. She screwed up her face and said, "Not at all." and proceeded to describe how they transfer into the car, use a motorized scooter, etc. And then for clarity I described what a taxing effort is. They both said not a problem. I was preparing to break the news that we would not be able to admit then, and I explained that in order to qualify for our services a person must be considered home bound and again described homebound-ness and taxing effort. And I finally asked, "Are you SURE that you are not homebound?" Their reply, "Oh yes, of course she's homebound, yes!" So I admitted her. The reason I did so (even though of course the woman was not homebound based on the first two honest responses) is because this was after the rash of no-go's which prompted the intial thread I wrote above... I didn't want ANOTHER no-go to be scrutinized and get in trouble.
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No. 15
from mauxtav8r
Old Aug 16, 2009, 07:35 PM

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Paddler, that's very good of you to probe to the answer before making a decision. I have found it very helpful to ask "so, how does it go when you have to go to the doctor?" "Are you able to go on to the pharmacy and get your prescriptions?"

Usually my homebound ones say "No way, my daughter has to bring me home and go back out for them" or something like that.
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