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- by Ms. RN'02 Jul 14, '06Hello everyone. I'm working as a DON for a new home health agency. What was I thinking.....this really is a lot of work; however, I enjoy learning. I was wondering if anyone can guide me in the right direction to obtain a computerized template form 485 for our PDN patients. Also I want to clarify to make sure I'm on the right track. The form 485 is it just for PDN? And I need to have a separate plan of care for home health aide only patients? Any assisstance with this matter would be greatly appreciated.
- Jul 14, '06 by DutchgirlRNQuote from Ms. RN'02Hello everyone. I'm working as a DON for a new home health agency. What was I thinking.....this really is a lot of work; however, I enjoy learning. I was wondering if anyone can guide me in the right direction to obtain a computerized template form 485 for our PDN patients. Also I want to clarify to make sure I'm on the right track. The form 485 is it just for PDN? And I need to have a separate plan of care for home health aide only patients? Any assisstance with this matter would be greatly appreciated.
I don't have a computerized template form 485 but would love to have one also or an example of what your agencies use. Ours sux. It definately needs to be redone. E-mail me your form if you cannot put it on this site. Thanks so very much, Dutchie!
- Jul 15, '06 by homehealth43130We use the 485 form for all our patients, you should be able to get a copy on the cms web site or form your intermediary. Ours is built into our billing system so I don't have an electronic version of one.
- Jul 17, '06 by DutchgirlRNQuote from homehealth43130Not to sound ignorant but what is the cms website? Thanks.We use the 485 form for all our patients, you should be able to get a copy on the cms web site or form your intermediary. Ours is built into our billing system so I don't have an electronic version of one.
- Aug 10, '06 by Ms. RN'02Ok I think I've been all over the cms website and others trying to get a download of some sort of the form 485; however, I've been quite unsuccessful. I did come across a page on the website that stated that the 485 has been deleted and is an optional form. Well I know these forms are still being used because I used it at my old agency. Does anyone out there that knows of any other way I can get the 485 form? Otherwise I guess I'll just order some care plans from healthcare concepts or Briggs.
Thanks in advance!
- Aug 10, '06 by NRSKarenRNmedicare stopped having form available ~ 2003 -2004 for download or ordering.
if you are small startup agency, can always create in excel format for clerk to type info from written Plan of Care (POC) from nurses/therapists.
home health certification and plan of care (POC)
cms regulations require completion of a home health certification and plan of care. the following are the requirements for information that must be included:
according to the title 42 of the code of federal regulations (cfr) 424.22, the record must contain the following:
- physician certifies the need for intermittent skilled home health servic
- physician certifies the patientís homebound status
- poc be reviewed at least every 60 days
according to 42cfr484.18, the following items are also required:
- all pertinent diagnoses
- mental status
- types of services and equipment required
- frequency of visits
- rehabilitation potential
- functional limitations
- activities permitted
- nutritional requirements
- medications and treatments
- any safety measures to protect against injury
- instructions for timely discharge or referral
- any other appropriate items
- orders for therapy services include the specific procedures and modalities to be used and the amount, frequency, and duration
Medicare Home Health Manual:
30.2 - Services Are Provided Under a Plan of Care Established and Approved by a Physician
http://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-G...s/bp102c07.pdfLast edit by NRSKarenRN on Aug 21, '12 : Reason: updated link 8-21-12
- Aug 10, '06 by NRSKarenRNCan you clairy term "PDN" is that private duty nursing?
Home health aide private pay patients DO NOT need signed physician orders unless required by state regs. They DO NEED HHA care plan with written policy on frequency of review. Ours reviewed every 90 days.
Spot check HHA notes to make sure match care plan EXACTLY to make sure followed and avoid getting dinged by state.
Advise your agency subscribing to "Home Health Line", industry newsletter as they had great example last month of such forms and provide info re regs requirements.
- Aug 11, '06 by Ms. RN'02Thank you so much NRSKarenRN. You have helped me tremendously(in both of my posts). My owner has allowed me to purchase either the PDN POT or the HHA plan of care. I chose the HHA plan of care in hopes to get a hold of the cms form 485. I will now just create my own plan of treatment for skilled nursing and format it similar to the cms form 485. I'm also going to check out cahabagba.com. Now lets see who knows how to use excel...hmmm...lol. Thanks again!!
- Aug 16, '06 by lamazeteacherDear DON:
What agency hired you with no HH experience? (You don't need to answer that....)
The 485 must be completed at the time of the admission HV, and later typed for the office chart. A copy must be in the home, and be specific to frequency of HV, goals, nursing problems, etc.
I've been a HH Registered Public Health Nurse for over 20 years, and I kniow that this form causes the most concern at audits. Look in older charts for it, and hopefully you'll see how it is completed. Check with an established agency for recent changes, as they're ongoing.
I sure pray that you have experienced HH Nurses on your staff. Go with them to observe visits, and how paperwork is completed. Assure them that you want to learn from them, and don't fake knowing when you don't!:groupwelcome: :groupwelcome: