Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No? - page 5

probably no other nursing diagnosis has garnered as much controversy as this one: energy field disturbance - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia scathing criticism of this nursing... Read More

  1. by   hypocaffeinemia
    A nice article: http://skepdic.com/tt.html
  2. by   holiday2525
    We don't really understand how accupuncture works. Yet in works. many studies support its use. It works on animals - who don't tend to have a placebo effect. By the way, there is a youtube video about a kung fu master who can light a light bulb with his renergy field. It is not rigged and it is not a scam. Just becuase we can't quantify something does not mean it does not exist.
  3. by   suanna
    Quote from holiday2525
    We don't really understand how accupuncture works. Yet in works. many studies support its use. It works on animals - who don't tend to have a placebo effect. By the way, there is a youtube video about a kung fu master who can light a light bulb with his renergy field. It is not rigged and it is not a scam. Just becuase we can't quantify something does not mean it does not exist.
    Oh- if it was on you-tube it has to be true! There is some great videos of people bending forks with thier minds too. With a little effort I bet I can find a video of someones "aura" but until someone can tell me what is does, how it is measured, how it is treated and what my measurable goals are- it's not science. If I am admitted to the hospital and you notice me glowing funny colors- don't document how bright my aura is-call my doctor and then radiology!!! As far as accupuncture, yes we do have some understanding of its mechanism. The stimulation of the nervous system resulting in altered levels of neurotransmitters can be theraputic for a number of problems. Is accupuncture opening my Chi and allowing my internal energy to flow freely?-Don't know, but it does effect the nervous system and the biochemical balance in systems regulated by it. I don't say "energy fields" don't exist- I just don't think they belong in a health care problem list.
  4. by   hypocaffeinemia
    There's an invisible dragon living in my garage. I can definitely tell you it isn't a scam or imagined.

    Prove I'm wrong.
  5. by   Noryn
    This perplexes me, my honest first impression is to roll my eyes but I am beginning to feel that we are not as advanced in our knowledge of the human body or diseases as we think we are. There is more that we don't know in regards to how the body functions as opposed to what we do know. Despite "the advances being made" we still cannot cure many common conditions such as diabetes or COPD. We can simply attempt to control. I admit there has been some awesome advances such as organ transplantation, vaccinations and antibiotics but still how often do we change our interventions and practice?

    So how many doctors laugh at this that prescribed Vytorin? I think there are components to health and wellness that arent currently known about or able to be measured. I think alternative medicine does have a place.

    But to give Western medicine its due what are the life expectancy statistics in those who are treated by this as opposed to populations who depend entirely on alternative or shamanistic practices?
  6. by   zenman
    Quote from methylene
    There's an invisible dragon living in my garage. I can definitely tell you it isn't a scam or imagined.

    Prove I'm wrong.
    We feel love but prove it exists.

    This morning I came out of the Amazon jungle after nine days working with two shamans. Immediately prior to entering the jungle I spent twelve days with Qro shamans in the Sacred Valley outside Cusco.

    Im just going to let yall wonder what I experienced, lol!
  7. by   Noryn
    Quote from zenman
    We feel love but prove it exists.

    This morning I came out of the Amazon jungle after nine days working with two shamans. Immediately prior to entering the jungle I spent twelve days with Qro shamans in the Sacred Valley outside Cusco.

    Im just going to let yall wonder what I experienced, lol!
    How is their life expectancy compared to ours?
  8. by   hypocaffeinemia
    Quote from zenman
    We feel love but prove it exists.
    Burden of proof.

    I'm not the one arguing love is some separate and distinct concept that exists in the ether.

    I'll be the guy arguing what we describe as love is the effects of social bonding from millions of years of evolution.
  9. by   talaxandra
    Quote from zenman
    This morning I came out of the Amazon jungle after nine days working with two shamans. Immediately prior to entering the jungle I spent twelve days with Qro shamans in the Sacred Valley outside Cusco.
    And that's my other concern - if energy fields do exist, and can be manipulated by yogis, shamans and the like, who've devoted their lives to meditation, contemplation and biocontrol, isn't it amazingly insulting to think that pretty much anyone can do it with just a short instruction course?
  10. by   zenman
    Quote from Noryn
    How is their life expectancy compared to ours?
    Alberto Villoldo is my primary teacher. His teacher a Q'ero Indian named Don Manuel died a few years short of 100...97 I think it was.

    In the Amazon, Alberto Torres Davila started training at the age of 8 and is now 50. His teacher, Julio Llerena Pinedo died of a stroke at 83.
  11. by   zenman
    Quote from talaxandra
    And that's my other concern - if energy fields do exist, and can be manipulated by yogis, shamans and the like, who've devoted their lives to meditation, contemplation and biocontrol, isn't it amazingly insulting to think that pretty much anyone can do it with just a short instruction course?
    Two of the 12 Q'ero Indians had only been training for 12 years. They were not allowed to do any healing ceremonies yet!

    On the other hand, Hamilton Souther (in the Amazon) was given the title of Master Shaman after a year and a half but his circumstances and training were different and he is the real deal.

    But weekend workshops and ego do not make for a good outcome.
  12. by   hypocaffeinemia
    Quote from zenman
    Alberto Villoldo is my primary teacher. His teacher a Q'ero Indian named Don Manuel died a few years short of 100...97 I think it was.

    In the Amazon, Alberto Torres Davila started training at the age of 8 and is now 50. His teacher, Julio Llerena Pinedo died of a stroke at 83.
    Anecdotes aren't life expectancies. Dr. Debakey just died at 99 and my great grandmother that didn't use a single CAM died at 108, for instance.
  13. by   finn11707
    Aren't we being pretty dismissive of some of the tenants of Eastern Medicine? I always hesitate to think that we Western Medicine people have all the answers...Doesn't it come close to also taking out hope, god and much more, even if it is just energy???

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