Brain storm with me. - page 2

I have been interested in Holistic Nursing for a long time. The American Holistic Nurses Asso touts themselves as the only "official" certifying entity, and in the past, you had to have a bachelor... Read More

  1. Visit  Hithere} profile page
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    I love the way you think Mudwoman! We should for sure form a mastermind group and see where we can take the concept of holistic nursing/education. I would love to brainstorm and chat with you more--perhaps we can email? Feel free to drop me a line: DanaGelsomino@gmail.com I am really looking forward to getting to know you--I just love meeting my kinda people!
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  3. Visit  Matt8} profile page
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    I am in the final months of an accelerated nursing degree, and need to find a nurse researcher to ask a few questions of, and would love to find someone who has done some research regarding EBP and holistic medicine. I'd appreciate any help! Thanks!
  4. Visit  EllieBell} profile page
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    I love this forum and have the same aspirations and goals as you! I really am looking into this idea of being a nursing health coach, and for expanding into my own practice without having to be an APN. Why? Simple, I am fed up with the education "machine" and the enormous cost associated with higher education that I could achieve through my own intiative and learning. Also, many of the schools teach the same system that I have grown tired of, the system of medicine that ignores the whole person and instead "fixes" one aspect of a dynamic being through "medicine" that often leads to more side effects.

    There is a LOT that doctors and nurse practitioners can achieve and help patients with. However, how cool would it be to have a coach to assist you with your illness? I am going to get my Oncology Nursing Certification and then my massage liscense. I dream of having my own practice and simple HELPING people with all aspects of care. How does this sound to any of you? Have any of you heard of anything like this? Does anyone else feel, like me, that over certifications and over regulation have lead to a dearth of actual human caring and people that can help each other without worrying about liability and all of that?

    Nurses know a tremendous amount of information and yet are often tired out by running around the hospital taking care of stuff that does not involve health or education.
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  5. Visit  yogalove} profile page
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    Ok. "If we want to have a holistic nursing practice, what do we do?" Well...I agree with others who are saying there is no need to be an APN to have a holistic practice. This is an idea that I have been struggling with over the last few years, when thinking about how to proceed with my interest in the holistic field, as an RN.
    There is just one program out there for a Holistic Nurse Practitioner, which is in New York. All others are online programs, which I don't really see how that can be a quality education, with no hands on experience.
    I'm starting to believe that everyone just needs to follow what interests them in the field of holistic nursing. There are so many different specialties to choose from, as previous posts have shown (ex: reiki, bach flower essences, yoga, aromatherapy, accupressure). Say I'm interested in Aromatherapy, then maybe my first step is to obtain a certificate in Aromatherapy through one of the programs AHNA offers. That way I can individualize my skills, determining the services that I want to offer patients.
    I've also thought about going to get my massage license so I could combine massage with aromatherapy, and potentially other holistic nursing services (that I'd get education for along the way). This type of practice could be accomplished without getting an APN degree.
    So what it comes down to is that I feel we can practice as Holistic Nurses with an RN degree and additional certifications/training in specialty areas. Then I think it might be best to have your own practice or maybe team up with a few other holistic RNs to open a practice. It's a long road ahead, but I can't wait. Good luck to everyone else out there! Any ideas/responses are welcome.
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  6. Visit  Missy71940} profile page
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    I am very interested in Diabetic Education as well and would love the opportunity to work in this field and leave the hospital setting. I addressed my interest while in nursing school and was told that I had to have a BSN to become certified in Arkansas.

    I would love to hear any helpful information you are able to share and how this is working for you.

    Melissa
  7. Visit  Mudwoman} profile page
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    So, as an update on what is going on......

    On Oct 29, I started a part time position in the hospital that I work in as Inpatient Diabetes and Wound Clinician. I had to resign my full time position in ICU and go PRN there and that is scary because I need the full time hours. Sometimes you have to want something bad enough to just go for it.

    I do not have a BSN, but I am working on my BSN with Excelsior. I joined AADE (American Asso of Diabetic Educators), attended some meetings in Little Rock with the Department of Health Diabetes Advisory Council, and did my CEU renewals on diabetes for my license. I read everything I can on diabetes and behavior modification, health coaching, and nutrition. There were 9 applicants for this part time position and I think all this was instrumental in me getting this job.

    I still have aspirations of doing health coaching/holistic nursing in addition to this. This position gives me an opportunity to become a CDE.......in fact part of my job description is to become CDE within a year.

    Melissa, I hope this helps you. I live in Arkansas and you do not have to have a BSN to become certified. You just have to have a certain number of hours that can be verified in diabetes education to qualify to take the exam. That is hard to do if you are not working in diabetes education. I was told by someone in the department of health to start documenting the education I did as a nurse on the floor (please be careful r/t HIPPA), but you can keep a journal/log of the date and number of minutes and what you taught and then be sure to record something in the patient record. That can end up counting towards the hours, I'm told. Take any position you can. Contact pharmacies as many have diabetes education programs too. Let people know that you are really interested in this type of nursing. Wound care and diabetes tend to go hand in hand at hospitals. If you can get a position in wound care, you may be able to be cross-trained in diabetes education. Apply with companies that provide health supplies and equipment r/t diabetes and wound care. Some nursing homes now have specialty wound care nurses.

    I may end up with several "part time" positions to end up with the income I need to survive while still staying focused on my end goals. I never gave up. I just believed that if I just kept doing what I was doing, something would come along. It did. I spent a few nights worried about the money. I'm still a little nervous. PRN doesn't guarantee me any hours. My income could be cut in half. If you want something really bad, you have to be willing to take the risk if the opportunity door opens.

    Charlee
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  8. Visit  tinks599} profile page
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    I live in Conway, Arkansas. I would love to talk about things with you. I'm in a different place as a pre-nursing student with quite a lot more experience behind me (nearly 20 years) and the intent to practice as an FNP here in Central Arkansas. I want to go into family practice and have a very strong desire to combine holistic nursing and traditional medicine in treating my patients. I have every opportunity to direct my nursing career and I know very well where I want to go (as an adult student with a strong background in allied health, research, etc.) but I am still carving out my path. I would relish an opportunity to meet and swap information with you.
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    I would be glad to meet and swap info with you. Send me a private message with your info and I will reply with mine. How awesome that you are so clear on the path you want to take. How exciting.
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    Quote from RNyogi
    Ok. "If we want to have a holistic nursing practice, what do we do?" Well...I agree with others who are saying there is no need to be an APN to have a holistic practice. This is an idea that I have been struggling with over the last few years, when thinking about how to proceed with my interest in the holistic field, as an RN.
    There is just one program out there for a Holistic Nurse Practitioner, which is in New York. All others are online programs, which I don't really see how that can be a quality education, with no hands on experience.
    I'm starting to believe that everyone just needs to follow what interests them in the field of holistic nursing. There are so many different specialties to choose from, as previous posts have shown (ex: reiki, bach flower essences, yoga, aromatherapy, accupressure). Say I'm interested in Aromatherapy, then maybe my first step is to obtain a certificate in Aromatherapy through one of the programs AHNA offers. That way I can individualize my skills, determining the services that I want to offer patients.
    I've also thought about going to get my massage license so I could combine massage with aromatherapy, and potentially other holistic nursing services (that I'd get education for along the way). This type of practice could be accomplished without getting an APN degree.
    So what it comes down to is that I feel we can practice as Holistic Nurses with an RN degree and additional certifications/training in specialty areas. Then I think it might be best to have your own practice or maybe team up with a few other holistic RNs to open a practice. It's a long road ahead, but I can't wait. Good luck to everyone else out there! Any ideas/responses are welcome.
    I assume you're an RN & a yogi? I am an RN & yoga instructor. I would loooove to move out of the acute care setting 7 into something more holistic. I'm happy I found these threads. They make me feel as though I'm not so off as in the setting where I work now, people are so glued to the medical model which is just not realistic today.
    I would be open to a bit more education if it is in an area that interests me. I'm torn these days between where the positions are offered & where my heart is...
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  11. Visit  Mudwoman} profile page
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    The real issue sometimes is how do we get paid for the work we do. Sometimes, I think you just have to follow what in your heart you are meant to do and charge a fee that is fair and reasonable and expect that there are people out there that will pay you. The average co-pay to a physician is about $25 to $35 and you maybe get 15-20 minutes of the physicians time. I would guess that most of us make about that amount for an hour of work in the hospital or clinic. I also think that people want something other than what medical science can give them. They are probably just as frustrated in not being able to find us as we are in trying to figure out how to find them.

    Think outside the box.
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  12. Visit  Underoo} profile page
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    Awesome! Thanks for recommending the book. I just bought it and am looking forward to learning more about this type of practice. As an RN just starting my journey in hopes of being a holistic nurse, I completely agree with everything you said and I am excited for you as you start this journey. You are right: it definitely starts with you. You will be helping yourself while you help others, and isn't that what nursing is all about? I have an appointment with a holistic MD in our area and I am looking forward to seeing if she has any advice on how to begin practice in holistic care. I wonder if you can find an MD as well that may give you some guidance? Good luck! I'll be happy to see other postings from you about this journey.
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  13. Visit  mtsteelhorse} profile page
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    Does anyone know if it's possible/feasible to pass the board exam for holistic nursing if one is very familiar with Dossey's text?? I'm referring to the exam through AHNCC. Thanks


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