Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by zenman

This morning I came out of the Amazon jungle after nine days working with two shamans. Immediately prior to entering the jungle I spent twelve days with Qéro shamans in the Sacred Valley outside Cusco.

And that's my other concern - if energy fields do exist, and can be manipulated by yogis, shamans and the like, who've devoted their lives to meditation, contemplation and biocontrol, isn't it amazingly insulting to think that pretty much anyone can do it with just a short instruction course?

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by Noryn

How is their life expectancy compared to ours?

Alberto Villoldo is my primary teacher. His teacher a Q'ero Indian named Don Manuel died a few years short of 100...97 I think it was.

In the Amazon, Alberto Torres Davila started training at the age of 8 and is now 50. His teacher, Julio Llerena Pinedo died of a stroke at 83.

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by talaxandra

And that's my other concern - if energy fields do exist, and can be manipulated by yogis, shamans and the like, who've devoted their lives to meditation, contemplation and biocontrol, isn't it amazingly insulting to think that pretty much anyone can do it with just a short instruction course?

Two of the 12 Q'ero Indians had only been training for 12 years. They were not allowed to do any healing ceremonies yet!

On the other hand, Hamilton Souther (in the Amazon) was given the title of Master Shaman after a year and a half but his circumstances and training were different and he is the real deal.

But weekend workshops and ego do not make for a good outcome.

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by zenman

Alberto Villoldo is my primary teacher. His teacher a Q'ero Indian named Don Manuel died a few years short of 100...97 I think it was.

In the Amazon, Alberto Torres Davila started training at the age of 8 and is now 50. His teacher, Julio Llerena Pinedo died of a stroke at 83.

Anecdotes aren't life expectancies. Dr. Debakey just died at 99 and my great grandmother that didn't use a single CAM died at 108, for instance.

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Aren't we being pretty dismissive of some of the tenants of Eastern Medicine? I always hesitate to think that we Western Medicine people have all the answers...Doesn't it come close to also taking out hope, god and much more, even if it is just energy???

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I really have been really surprised with the negative comments on this NANDA diagnosis. This diagnosis would really support Healing Touch or Therapeutic Touch. I am not sure why there is so much making fun here. I am wanting to become certified in Reflexology and Healing Touch. I consider myself a nurse that wants to specialize in wellness nursing. I hope we can agree to disagree, but I understand this diagnosis and especially as an Oncology nurse, I can see the benefit of this.

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I am so disappointed that modalities which actually work are dismissed while "altered energy fields" has so many advocates. Yeah, it would be great to cure and treat anything. The truth is that some things are beyond our mortal efforts. If you gain some benefit from imagining that you can alter energy fields, the only harm is that you could have instead done something of therapeutic value.

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Not of therapeutic value? Healing doesn't have to be curing. Most people who are dying of cancer have disturbed energy fields. What better way to bring calm and peace but through Healing Touch. Are you saying that the human touch has not place if you cannot cure? I don't think anyone has made reference that Healing Touch, or Therapeutic touch is made to cure. If you have never had a healing touch procedure, or a reflexology treatment, or if you have not explored this genre other than to put it down, I just think you don't need to comment on it. Negativity breeds negativity. I prefer to be positive.

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Originally Posted by Woodenpug

I am so disappointed that modalities which actually work are dismissed while "altered energy fields" has so many advocates. Yeah, it would be great to cure and treat anything. The truth is that some things are beyond our mortal efforts. If you gain some benefit from imagining that you can alter energy fields, the only harm is that you could have instead done something of therapeutic value.

There are three physicists that I know of in my shamanic crowd, quite a few physicians and many other health care professionals. You should talk to them. You should also realize the power of the mind, ie., imagining.

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It is not healing. Altered energy fields, lets you fool yourself into believing that you are doing something. That way you do not have to actually be present. If you were to be present, you might have to do something useful.

To the sophist; Yes, healing occurs even when there is no cure. For every western style scientist that believes in energy fields, a traditional healer exists who does not buy into the nanda "disturbed energy fields."