Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by rn/writer

Can you imagine the kinds of interventions this might lead to???

Honestly, it's stuff like this that makes us look like doofuses (doofi?) to the rest of the medical community.

Many of the "rest of the medical community" have been spending time with me this summer studying shamanism...which deals heavily with "disturbed energy fields." One physician, board certified in psych and FP, told me, "this is certainly more interesting than the way I treat diabetics back home." Many of the physicians are "undercover" but others don't give a hoot what their peers think when they see results.

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by nursingstudent317

I felt that this was pseudoscience and insulting to the nursing profession for a long time. When I learned Reiki, I had to let go of my entire paradigm. I still feel funny talking about it, because it sounds so crazy unless you have actually experienced energy healing for yourself. But now I can actually feel, in a person's energy field, where there is a problem. I have used Reiki (but not discussed) many times in the hospital. The results have sometimes been jaw dropping.

That's great to hear your experience. Even if it is an effective method, it still might be best taught and practiced as a separate practice from nursing.

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

About biofields energy was written tons of studies.
INCONCLUSIVENESS still. Something it seems that is happen there, but what it is and how we can make possible to explain it and give a scientific approach, very hard.
It seems that a disharmony always will create problems, even if we will call it bioenergetic field disruption or unbalance, or if it is at personality level or social interaction level.
To works with terms that author try to present to us, means to use all of us the same notions already accepted for the same reality instances.
So first of all when need to prove that what about we talk (bioenergetic fields) is a scientific REALITY . Talk about fictions will be only a tale and not a science! Hard....Second is need to find methods to study this reality....much than harder!
Third ....Scientific methods for how to use the bioenergy and field balanced.....as much as I know are not yet documented like scientific matters.

If is true that we could used it...of course that is, are so many cases described, but in the same time also are the same many cases of "false bioenergyprofets".

So what I will do.....I will not definitely try to influenced nobody to take a decision related....everybody can choose in what to believe or not, and why and for what reasons....
Definitely not apply in nursing care as much is not on scientifically bases.
Personal, yup I believe in bad energies and good energies in bioenergetics fields in balance and harmony.
Flower Power Zuzi, loool
But is so true you could feel with your hands the vibration and with your mind the harmony…or not ……! So crazy…not scientifically....all bioenergotherapeuts tell that….
I CAN FELL IT and I am not scarred about……how nobody can tell you….just I can fell it! Some are true some are liars…hard to demonstrate scientifically…but of course that is true!

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

What a hoot!

As it happens my immediate boss (VP for Admissions), and I are in the process of modifying the admissions paperwork at our facility to include nursing diagnosis as required by Joint commission. Between us we probably have over 50 years of experience as RN's. We are in complete agreement that the whole concept is a crock. Neither one of us has used them since nursing school or has ever found it useful in our practice.

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

NOT for use! LOOOOOOOL. OMG I hope that you didn't try use bioenergotherapy in your setting, loooooooool. Is not a scientific demonstration is not objective !
How you could use somenting nonregulated???? NO, NO, NO!

For sure that for a objective and documented opinion, bioenergy is a piece of crap!

But also we can admit that ...the truth could be far away from us....and sometime.....

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by CharlieRN

What a hoot!

As it happens my immediate boss (VP for Admissions), and I are in the process of modifying the admissions paperwork at our facility to include nursing diagnosis as required by Joint commission. Between us we probably have over 50 years of experience as RN's. We are in complete agreement that the whole concept is a crock. Neither one of us has used them since nursing school or has ever found it useful in our practice.

I'm in total agreement here. Nursing diagnosis sounds pretty, but there are many things in the world that sound pretty but are completely useless. So is NANDA in my not-so-humble opinion..........especially now that they've come up with this piece of New Age nonsense. It makes me think of incense and crystals and mantras, not anything even remotely resembling science---you can't see it, touch it, taste it, hear it, or feel it, so you sure as heck can't quantify it. And if you can't quantify it, how can you call it a 'diagnosis'?? Phooey.

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Even if there is something to therapeutic touch, energy fields and the like, as a student I have to agree with the nurses who are saying that young nurses and students are best served learning more about pathophysiology, pharm and other more concrete immediately necessary information. As students we are still trying to make sense of signs and symptoms and the degrees of such when we are assessing patients. Adding in assessments of chi and inner light etc... wouldn't make sense at this point and at best seems like something only an extremely experienced person would be able to "tap into" anyway. I too think it should be a separate ball of wax.

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Probably the most exciting thing I've seen in the nursing books since I started school was the idea that "Disburbed Energy Field" was an actual nursing diagnosis. Granted, it's not likely one I'll be using on my care plan while I'm in school but it'll be something I consider for every patient I come across. I won't advertise it unless I find myself in a clinic where patients are actively seeking alternative modalities but energy is something that is important to me. It's one of those things that if I couldn't use that tool, I'd likely leave nursing. When I'm done with nursing school, I'll still have more training in energy theories. Evaluating a patient energetically seems as reasonable as your head to toe assessment and it's probably something you do without realizing it!

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

when I taught in the University system (Critical Care @ the bedside), I encouraged nursing diagnosis outside of what was written in the highlighted areas of the books. I wanted Thought placed & then directive energy to the plans of care. Not just safety, & the obvious (meds, treatments) but energy work (such as Therapeutic Touch, Healing Touch, Reiki, etc). I wanted the students to realize that just because the school they attend does not formally teach these modalities of Holistic Care, it doesn't mean the CLIENT may not benefit from or desire these options, reguardless of the opinion of the nurse/physician. I can put it out there as an option. I've had students get so excited that they could see past the same old plans of care putting something greater in motion.
I do feel & see energy fields. Say what you will, it is what it is. I don't wear a sign that says, "see HEF". I use my skills with my nursing & massage degrees to give the best care at the bedside, or table side, that I can give.
Yesterday, a retired nurse in her late 70's consulted my services for Healing Touch to help her spouse who has Parkinson's, leaving him with what she called "low energy levels". I will be seeing them this weekend for that purpose & to hopefully change/improve his "disturbed Energy level" (& teach the wife a way to improve that.)
Judge not, until you've been throught the training & feel the results yourself.
BTW, I have done critical care my entire career including trauma & cardiac. I really do use this in my practice at the hospital & private practice.

Originally Posted by DisturbedEnergy

Probably the most exciting thing I've seen in the nursing books since I started school was the idea that "Disburbed Energy Field" was an actual nursing diagnosis. Granted, it's not likely one I'll be using on my care plan while I'm in school but it'll be something I consider for every patient I come across. I won't advertise it unless I find myself in a clinic where patients are actively seeking alternative modalities but energy is something that is important to me. It's one of those things that if I couldn't use that tool, I'd likely leave nursing. When I'm done with nursing school, I'll still have more training in energy theories. Evaluating a patient energetically seems as reasonable as your head to toe assessment and it's probably something you do without realizing it!

Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No?

Whether you believe in the merits of Reiki or other types of disciplines that advocate attention to the "energy field", it is not nursing. It is not part of the basic education for nursing. The vast majority of RN's don't posess the skills to assess this situation. Therefore, it should not be a "nursing diagnosis." I do agree that much of NANDA is just worthless. This just demonstrates how someone with a leaning toward alternative healing used their pull w/ NANDA to put something forward which is not useable for the nurse at the bedside and his/her patient. May be this needs to go in the directory of Reiki, massage therapy, or some otherr field's diagnoses. It does make those at the bedside look at some of nursing's so called leaders w/ disgust for being so very out of touch. BTW, I am not slamming Reiki. Reiki could be of use to a patient who ascribes to it when performed by a practitioner who is skilled in its practice. That is not your average nurse, however.