Re: Disturbed Energy Field? Yes or No? Originally Posted by Woodenpug 
O.K. With all due respect, that's just silly.
I guess a nuclear chain reaction would be a furiously disturbed energy field? Or a psychotic energy field? Antisocial?
Oh well, lol.
Well, the answer is yes.
Originally Posted by Woodenpug Since "therapeutic touch" has been demonstrated as absolutely nothing, your argument is that well..... Science just aint got it?
Has anything been “proven” or “dis-proven” about TT?
I asked you for some way, a non-believer (yet open minded) could prove it to myself, if not to the scientific community and you made a silly joke.
You have used the word “silly” so many times that I’m thinking “projections.”
How does an open-minded nonbeliever prove it to himself? Simple. Get out of your head and experience it. The “scientific community” is right here with me, studying shamanism, because as one physician told me, “I’ve finally found a way to help people.” A psychologist told me, "I'll never be able to use talk therapy again." As an aside, our energy work heals ourselves, something that few other practices do. Modern, western medicine literally rips the soul out of anyone who goes down that road.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...ight-About-Now
I’m reading this neurosurgeon’s book now, Medicine, Miracles, and Manifestations: A Doctor's Journey Through the Worlds of Divine Intervention, Near-Death Experiences and Universal Energy. You might like it:
http://www.johnlturner.com/index.php/mmm/All-Pages.html
From the research scientist, Oakley E. Gordon, Ph.D.:
“The Andean culture also recognizes and values other types of knowledge in addition to intellectual knowledge. In particular, that culture supports a type of knowledge and understanding this is accessible through the area of the the heart (the 'munay' in Quechua, the language of the Andes). This knowledge is non-intellectual in nature, and rather than involving words and numbers, it involves love.
My Western scientific culture has long abandoned the idea that love is located in the heart. We know that the heart is simply a biological pump and that emotional responses are orchestrated by the brain. The concept of a 'heart knowledge' that evokes love seems a quaint metaphor of a bygone era. Although the modern, intellectual, representation of physiology may hold its truth, it completely misses the point; the heart knowledge of the Andes resides outside of the intellect, and thus is of a realm where true and false have no meaning or relevance. Heart knowledge of reality is available when consciousness is moved from our head to our heart. In the West we so identify with our intellect that the idea that consciousness can reside anywhere but in the head can be hard to comprehend. When we are being intellectual our experience is that our consciousness is located in the area behind our eyes."
And I’m just back from another Amazon trip about three weeks ago. Here’s one experience…with no drugs, not even caffeine:
“When Aroldo blew smoke on my head I felt things shifting in my body. The shamans had been told that I wanted a double dose of icaros (healing songs).
When one of the Shipibo shaman ladies came over and sang, I cried for a bit. After a while, another lady came over and I felt happy.
Then two of them came over and sat at my feet and started singing. At first I thought there were also two singing behind me, but when I turned around no one was there. Next morning someone else said they heard the same.
In a few minutes I started shaking up and down. I thought someone was walking and shaking the hut but when I turned around no one was up. I placed my hands on the floor and the building was still! I was the only thing shaking! When the ladies stopped singing, I stopped shaking.
Later when I went back to my tambo I had the most intense visions of plants appearing in brilliant green color, then fading away only to be replaced by another picture.”
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