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No. 10
from ilbacio
Old Sep 05, 2006, 12:05 PM

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I am also a massage therapist and I am seriously considering nursing school.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts about leaving massage to become a nurse..... Are you happy? Any regrets? Has nursing opened a lot more doors for you? What's your opinion about CAM departments being added to hospitals? Do you think it will be mainstream/trend in the near future?
Also, is there any demand in the hospitals for nurses to get more holistic education??

Looking forward to replies.
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No. 11
from Agnus
Old Sep 07, 2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ilbacio
What's your opinion about CAM departments being added to hospitals? Do you think it will be mainstream/trend in the near future?
Also, is there any demand in the hospitals for nurses to get more holistic education??

Looking forward to replies.
No, and no, for the reasons already cited onl this thread.

Nurses are always encouraged to get more education of a holistic nature, and it is not a current demand nor is there likely to be a demand as such.

Again, do not confuse hollistic with Complimentary, Iintergarative, OR Alternative. A nurse can provide hollistic care without using a single one of these. I believe that was explained as well.
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No. 12
from ilbacio
Old Sep 09, 2006, 02:08 PM

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No confusion. Just curious what the hospital consensus was with nurses integrating holistic care into their practice.
I've since inquired and here in Chicago (UIC & Northwestern hospitals) there is a strong interest in holistic nursing. Sounds like there will be a bright future for nurses who pursue this path.
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No. 13
from zenman
Old Sep 11, 2006, 12:29 AM

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The continued trend will be for hospitals to provide Chevy care versus Mercedes care. Most likely you'll have to look outside the hospital as I did. Hopefully, I'll never have to work in a hospital again. Massage therapy is on the rise.
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No. 14
from CaliAlli
Old Sep 15, 2006, 01:43 PM

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Hey everyone. I just wanted to pop in and get a few things off my mind and onto "paper." I'm getting so discouraged in nursing school. All I hear about is "this drug does this, and this drug does that" and "let's do calculations because it's very important to get the dosage right because do you see this little kid? He's hooked up to about 6 different IV pumps, so we need to make sure we are accurate." I WAS SO MAD! I'm disgusted at this mindset (some if which is ignorance, I'm sure). I want to make a positive difference in people's lives, and there is no way I can give medications to people with a good conscience. To me, hospitals are just a place to stay sick. (I do realize this is a generalization and that there are parts of a hospital where this isn't true.) I don't ever want to work in one. There is a difference in the Health System of America and the Medical System, and I want to work for the Health System. I want to stay a step ahead of the Medical System. I want to keep people well. I want to see well people. I don't want to let them get sick THEN try to "treat" them. Our society isn't based on primary care. It's all based on secondary and tertiary. Why? Money is there! God warned us that the love of money is the root of all evil. Also, I've heard that the Greek word for "pharmacy" means "sorcery." Is this true? If so, God says to stay away from sorcery, so I shouldn't even be around meds.

I'm just rambling. Please look over my mesh of random thoughts. All these ideas are racing at 100mph in my mind, so I'm just spitting them out as they come. I feel like I'm alone in my fight and in my discouragement.

Thanks for reading.
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No. 15
from JentheRN05
Old Sep 15, 2006, 03:05 PM
Updated Sep 15, 2006 at 03:09 PM by JentheRN05

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Actually there are places you can go and practice as a holistic nurse. I worked for a complimentary therapy doctor. He gave scripts, and I took care of nutritional IVs and made suggestions for different herbs - then of course, pointed them to the doctor to verify my suggestions (which of course weren't wrong).

Cali - the thing you must remember is, to get there from here you have to go through things you don't care to do. There are medications out there that do save lives. But in any case - to be a holistic nurse you have to become a nurse first - no matter how disgusting it is to you. Otherwise I would fully suggest getting into herbalism or becoming a complimentary therapist. You don't have to be a nurse first for those.
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No. 16
from Agnus
Old Sep 15, 2006, 05:28 PM

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Calli, both have there place. Please, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Condeming Medicine as a whole is like condeming chiropractic as a whole, or condeming natropathy as a whole or acupuncture as a whole.
None of these is capable of doing everything. Each has its place and each is very good at what it does do. Together they compliment each other.
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No. 17
from CaliAlli
Old Sep 16, 2006, 12:22 PM

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I don't condemn medicine as a whole. I condemn those synthesized, unnatural medicines, which do physical harm to the patient in one way or another. Keep the baby and throw out the bath water. I didn't mean for that last post of mine to sound degrading to any particular person, including nurses and what they do as a profession. It's just the way this country is run, I suppose, that makes me so upset (ex: pulling the wool over people's eyes, wolves running around in sheep's clothing). I just hate the way the pharmeceutical industry goes around hailing their drugs as the only way out...like there is no other alternative. There are so many narrow-minded professionals out there who are either ignorant or who just don't care. I know this simlple post of mine isn't going to move mountains for consumer education, but I just wish everyone would take responsibility for their own health and get themselves educated so that the power of choice could lie in their own hands (and them know that it does).

Also, I think my meaning of the word "disgusting" was taken in the wrong way. I didn't say nursing was disgusting (like, "eww, nursing is gross"). That's a rather juvenile statement. I said that a certain mindset disgusted me (as in it made me mad, not like I was literally sick to my stomach and about to vomit).

Thanks for reading and thanks for the opinions. I am happy others are interested enough to post.
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No. 18
from Agnus
Old Sep 16, 2006, 05:24 PM
Updated Sep 16, 2006 at 05:39 PM by Agnus

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Originally Posted by CaliAlli
I don't condemn medicine as a whole. I condemn those synthesized, unnatural medicines, which do physical harm to the patient in one way or another. Keep the baby and throw out the bath water. I didn't mean for that last post of mine to sound degrading to any particular person, including nurses and what they do as a profession. It's just the way this country is run, I suppose, that makes me so upset (ex: pulling the wool over people's eyes, wolves running around in sheep's clothing). I just hate the way the pharmeceutical industry goes around hailing their drugs as the only way out...like there is no other alternative. There are so many narrow-minded professionals out there who are either ignorant or who just don't care. I know this simlple post of mine isn't going to move mountains for consumer education, but I just wish everyone would take responsibility for their own health and get themselves educated so that the power of choice could lie in their own hands (and them know that it does).

Also, I think my meaning of the word "disgusting" was taken in the wrong way. I didn't say nursing was disgusting (like, "eww, nursing is gross"). That's a rather juvenile statement. I said that a certain mindset disgusted me (as in it made me mad, not like I was literally sick to my stomach and about to vomit).

Thanks for reading and thanks for the opinions. I am happy others are interested enough to post.
You do not like "synthetic unatural medications". Because they all do some harm. Are you aware that many of the so called natural remedies also carry very real and dangerous risk for harm as well.

I usually tell people who insist that natural is automatically good, that hemlock is natural.

Every thing has the potential for harm. Simply because a medicine is synthetic does not make it more dangerous than one derived solely from nature. Digatalis is natural, are you aware of the deadly risk involved in unskilled use?

I could go on. I believe my friend that you are throwing out the baby with this.

I understand anger and frustration over the inflexibility of the medical model and I believe you are condeming the medical model as a whole.

You say they are pulling wool over the eyes of the consumer yet I believe the wool is in failing to understand that everything has its pace and value.

There are things that only the alopathic medical model CAN effectively treat. It is not perfect but I challenge you to name an alternative that is. As I said all modalities have thier place.

I agree prevention is best and taking responsibility for one's own health. I also know that that is not all there is to it and taking perfect care of one's self does not mean that one will never need treatment surgery or medicine that only allopathy can provide, or can provied most effacatiously.

In all things we must weigh risk against benefits, wether you are talking about a drug, surgery, chiropractic, accupuncture, herbs, etc etc. The all carry risk. Some times the risk is low and the benifit might be even lower.

I never took anything you said personally nor directed at nurses. I hope you don't take my remarks as an attack.

It is frustrating. I believe people need to be educated. There are those who do not wish to learn about alternatives. There are those who will never take personal responsibilty. This was a very very hard lesson for me to learn as a new nurse.
It is not all the doctors and pharmaceutical companies fault. There are many people who want a simple fix. Who don't want to know how or why it may or may not work, and who will do nothing to prevent the problem from ever arising in the first place. There are those who automatically place faith in the traditional "expert" of physician or phamacist.

perhaps you might consider a role as a public educator. Get your nursing degree and use your knowledge to teach people what they need to know about alternatives. I believe having documented knowledge (i.e. your RN) of both sides will give you more cedibility when you educate people about thier alternatives.

Otherwise to some you will just come on as another raving person who is anti modern medicine without any real knowledge of what modern medicine is really all about. There are far too many Tom Cruze out there.
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No. 19
from aquarius11
Old Sep 17, 2006, 02:27 AM

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CaliAlli,

I have just graduated from nursing school in May and am working on a med-surg unit. It does seem like there is something missing when just doling out meds., which is a large part of the work day. There is usually not enough time between 10 am and 12pm or 2pm meds to stop and actually have a therapeutic conversation with a patient. Anyway I am feeling discouraged with nursing as well and am researching other areas such as massage therapy and alternative medicine, which I feel could help to complement modern medicine, or in certain cases, have more benefit to the patient. I think that it is worth it for you to look into alternative areas of nursing, if you are going to stick with nursing, but I do not recommend forcing yourself to do something that you do not like.
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