HIPAA Violation?

  1. 0 In the past when I was doing clinicals in the ED a very famous celebrity/person came through massive MI failed resuscitation...I did CPR on him etc. Now approximately 2 years later I am writing a paper about historical markers and I plan to include him in it (ie project = historical markers personal to ones self). Would it be a HIPAA violation just to mention I received him as a patient in the ED and provided treatment before he subsequently died of cardiopulmonary arrest?

    This may seem trivial, but it can be a huge plus to my paper including this, but don't want to at any expense.
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  4. Visit  anotherone} profile page
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    How can it be a huge plus? Is the grader a fan or in this case not a fan of said celebrity? I would discuss the issue WITHOUT any identifying characteristics. Unless I was discussing in general terms if being a vip prolonged the code etc, or that since this person was famous, a vip how that changed anything in terms of you care. I wouldn't mention anything that would identify the patient.
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    It's a history class, huge historical figure and this issue prompted me to research/read on this person's accomplishments.

    If it would be a violation in any sense....I would just remove it from the paper.....because I am listing as one of the "historical markers" something that was put in this person's legacy.
  6. Visit  NicuGal} profile page
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    Personally, I wouldn't do it. I don't think you can say names and the place where this happened might not be too happy either. You would be best off to contact the legal department of the hospital this took place at and ask their opinion. I have a feeling you are using this as a , gee I did this to this person..whoohoo. Sorry, but that is how I took it. My husband takes care of VIP's all the time, and I can't even imagine him doing anything like that.
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    What ive spoken has been misinterpreted then. I did speak with some collegues as well and im just not going to mess with the issue.
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  8. Visit  nursel56} profile page
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    What ive spoken has been misinterpreted then. I did speak with some collegues as well and im just not going to mess with the issue.
    I think you made the right choice there.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Feb 1, '12
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  9. Visit  GrnTea} profile page
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    good decision. certainly not worth the grief you'll have rain down upon you if it's ever possible to identify you as the source of this personal health information.
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  10. Visit  RNGriffin} profile page
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    You made the most ethical decision of not including this particular case. You could have stated the case generally, but to provide specifics(including names) would definitely have you on the chopping block. If this were a Nursing course, you could also find yourself in violation of the program rules.
    Discernment is very important. I hate to be rude, but even asking this question exemplifies your need for more better practice.
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  11. Visit  Asystole RN} profile page
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    HIPAA does cover the deceased and without express written permission you are in violation of federal, possibly state, statute.
  12. Visit  FCMike11} profile page
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    I didnt bother disclosing this to you guys, but this person's cause of death and hospital he went to were public knowledge. <----this right here was the only reason I gave it a second thought and considered it.

    "but even asking this question exemplifies your need for more better practice" <---Was this necessary? I think it was clear I understood HIPAA. As far as meeting my "need for more better practice", I think all is lost.
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  13. Visit  Asystole RN} profile page
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    Quote from FCMike11
    I didnt bother disclosing this to you guys, but this person's cause of death and hospital he went to were public knowledge. <----this right here was the only reason I gave it a second thought and considered it.

    "but even asking this question exemplifies your need for more better practice" <---Was this necessary? I think it was clear I understood HIPAA. As far as meeting my "need for more better practice", I think all is lost.
    Mike, even if you do not name this individual you have given enough identifying information for us to identify this person. How many celebrities died around 2009? How many of those were male? How many of those died from a MI? How many of those died within a hospital? Not many people die within a hospital, let alone a celebrity.

    Did you discuss the care and unique identifiers of this celebrity to your colleagues? Somehow I cannot imagine that this individual’s identification was kept a secret if you are willing to identify him in front of strangers on an internet forum.

    I think it is clear that you do not understand HIPAA as the previous poster pointed out. It is immoral and illegal to divulge privileged information without express permission, even information from the deceased. Did you receive express permission from the patient or responsible party? It does not matter if the circumstances surrounding this individual became public knowledge, it is not your place to violate the privileged information that you were a party to.

    The trust that is given to nurses is sacred and the covenant formed between the patient and nurse should never be violated, EVER, even if someone wants to name-drop a celebrity to make their otherwise dull paper interesting.

    You are a professional, act like it.
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  14. Visit  dudette10} profile page
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Mike, even if you do not name this individual you have given enough identifying information for us to identify this person. How many celebrities died around 2009? How many of those were male? How many of those died from a MI? How many of those died within a hospital? Not many people die within a hospital, let alone a celebrity.
    This. However, I think the OP changed the gender of the celebrity in question. *whistles and walks away*
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    Quote from Asystole RN
    Mike, even if you do not name this individual you have given enough identifying information for us to identify this person. How many celebrities died around 2009? How many of those were male? How many of those died from a MI? How many of those died within a hospital? Not many people die within a hospital, let alone a celebrity.

    Did you discuss the care and unique identifiers of this celebrity to your colleagues? Somehow I cannot imagine that this individual's identification was kept a secret if you are willing to identify him in front of strangers on an internet forum.

    I think it is clear that you do not understand HIPAA as the previous poster pointed out. It is immoral and illegal to divulge privileged information without express permission, even information from the deceased. Did you receive express permission from the patient or responsible party? It does not matter if the circumstances surrounding this individual became public knowledge, it is not your place to violate the privileged information that you were a party to.

    The trust that is given to nurses is sacred and the covenant formed between the patient and nurse should never be violated, EVER, even if someone wants to name-drop a celebrity to make their otherwise dull paper interesting.

    You are a professional, act like it.
    There is not enough information to identify this individual. Again I understand HIPAA, but thank you for your self-righteous remarks and pearls of wisdom.

    Why did this turn into a bashing thread? This was a legitimate grey area for me.


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