New Grads... Is Anyone Addressing The Issue? - page 3

by Lisa From Maui 7,018 Views | 36 Comments

Does anyone know... Are any of the universities, community colleges, or nursing departments doing anything to help new grad nursing students get jobs here on the islands? Is anyone addressing this issue? Lisa ;-) ... Read More


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    jessicadawn, let me make sure i understand where you're coming from... you haven't started nursing school yet. you haven't been through nursing school. you haven't tried to find a job as an lpn or rn - in any state.

    you wrote: i would never expect that hospitals in washington state should only hire "residents" the way you seem to think hawaii should. that's ridiculous and just demonstrates how ethnocentric and threatened you are.

    it sounds like you're very quick to judge us as ridiculous, ethnocentric and threatened. i'm guessing that you may have vacationed in hawai'i, but you have never lived in hawai'i, for more than a year. guessing you don't understand the culture, or the reality, of living on the islands. guessing that you can't really understand where we are coming from.
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    Lisa From Maui:
    Yes, I think that I made myself clear that I'm a resident in Washington State and that I am currently competing with literally thousands of students for the coveted few spots open at nursing schools across the state. As a matter of fact my husband and I have already made the decision in advance that we will move if necessary to allow me to attend the first school that accepts me. I intend to apply at every school that has a high NCLEX pass rate.
    My local community college is where I currently own a home and my husband owns a business. It is going to be difficult and disruptive to pick up and move if I am not accepted into the local program. That is one of the challenges I will face and overcome one way or another. Feeling bitter because programs on "the islands" or employers on "the islands" pick the top performers, the most qualified candidates, well that just suggests that you don't understand the reality of competition, and maybe you aren't willing to do what it takes but would rather project a sense of helplessness, or resentment towards your competition.
    I have visited Maui, Oahu, and the Big Island. I love it there! Just because I wasn't born there doesn't mean that I should not have the same right to move there and enjoy it too. But unlike some on your thread, I will not sit back in my state complaining that others are taking up all the jobs, etc. I will go where ever I have to (even if that means Canada for less pay) and pay my dues.
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    Quote from jessicadawn
    Lisa From Maui:
    Yes, I think that I made myself clear that I'm a resident in Washington State and that I am currently competing with literally thousands of students for the coveted few spots open at nursing schools across the state. As a matter of fact my husband and I have already made the decision in advance that we will move if necessary to allow me to attend the first school that accepts me. I intend to apply at every school that has a high NCLEX pass rate.
    My local community college is where I currently own a home and my husband owns a business. It is going to be difficult and disruptive to pick up and move if I am not accepted into the local program. That is one of the challenges I will face and overcome one way or another. Feeling bitter because programs on "the islands" or employers on "the islands" pick the top performers, the most qualified candidates, well that just suggests that you don't understand the reality of competition, and maybe you aren't willing to do what it takes but would rather project a sense of helplessness, or resentment towards your competition.
    I have visited Maui, Oahu, and the Big Island. I love it there! Just because I wasn't born there doesn't mean that I should not have the same right to move there and enjoy it too. But unlike some on your thread, I will not sit back in my state complaining that others are taking up all the jobs, etc. I will go where ever I have to (even if that means Canada for less pay) and pay my dues.
    I'm born and raised in Hawaii, and I think you're attacking people for all the wrong reasons. It is very different here in Hawaii. I mean, as you kept repeating, we do live on a small island in the middle of the ocean. And for us "locals" who live here, there is a great sense of pride in that. There is something warm and kind about the islands, and it's called aloha. Anyone can get a sense of belonging here. I have been to the mainland, and it's completely different. In some sense, it's a culture shock. All the anger and disappointment about having to move to find a job that we could do here is about more than just a sense of entitlement. I am also native Hawaiian. This is my land, and I have every right to stay here and make a living, just as my ancestors did before, you know, the "travelers" arrived. It does make me a little angry that people are coming in and taking jobs away from people who have really paid their dues- in ways that you do not understand. You say you love it here. Do some research and maybe you'll find out what had to happen so that you could eventually have the privilege to visit. If you are native Hawaiian, then I apologize, but then you should understand where I'm coming from. If you can get a job in Hawaii eventually, more power to you, but I just wanted you to get a glimpse of the reason behind the anger.
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    Petunia, please clarify. Was your last post from Petunia to Lisa, OR from Petunia to Jessica Dawn? Or both? Thank you for being clear. Lisa ;-)
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    Quote from Lisa From Maui
    Petunia, please clarify. Was your last post from Petunia to Lisa, OR from Petunia to Jessica Dawn? Or both? Thank you for being clear. Lisa ;-)
    It was to JessicaDawn. Don't mind me, I have Hawaiian Studies this semester and I think I've developed some [righteous] anger over certain... injustices. But I don't want to turn this into THAT kind of thread. I do welcome visitors, I really do. But honestly, I feel like Hawaii just can't be compared to any part of the mainland. Hawaii is unique.
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    Petunia,
    I do think, in many ways, the locals get the short end of the stick. And that's putting it mildly. I'm being sincere when I write this next part... one thing locals don't think about is... the "white man" hasn't done this just to Hawaiians. The white man has done it all over the globe. Watch the movies Ghandi, Dances with Wolves, Invictus, Amazing Grace, and others. It's nothing personal. The white man has tried to take over every land that they can. (There's alot of sadness in me about that.) And, honestly, if the US did not invade, Japan would have invaded. (More sadness.) A few months ago I read about how we're fighting in the middle east, using depleted uranium in our bullets, because it's less expensive. The D.U. is poisoning their soil, causing lots and lots of birth defects, and the "white man" in Washington D.C. just doesn't care. I also read about the north Pacific gyre, and how we're poisoning the oceans. The U.S. government just don't care. There's so many problems in the world, so much fighting, so much disrespect. If you have guns and money, you have power. I think that's soooo sad.

    There's millions of people, throughout the world, who are angry over many injustices, committed by the white man, red man, yellow man, black man, purple man, green man and blue man. Everyone has done it. And the victims have every right to be angry over the injustice. (*smile* I think the only people who haven't attacked other races are the Tibetan monks.) Unfortunately, that's the planet we live on.

    Anyway, getting back on topic... I really wish there were more programs in place for the locals. I wish they hired fewer travel nurses. I wish the Hawai'i health care system had the attitude, "We grow our own, we keep our own, we hire our own, and we support our own." Hope you personally have all the connections you need to get a job when you're done with school.
    Last edit by Lisa From Maui on Mar 16, '10
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    Quote from Lisa From Maui
    Petunia,
    I do think, in many ways, the locals get the short end of the stick. And that's putting it mildly. I'm being sincere when I write this next part... one thing locals don't think about is... the "white man" hasn't done this just to Hawaiians. The white man has done it all over the globe. Watch the movies Ghandi, Dances with Wolves, Invictus, Amazing Grace, and others. It's nothing personal. The white man has tried to take over every land that they can. (There's alot of sadness in me about that.) And, honestly, if the US did not invade, Japan would have invaded. (More sadness.) A few months ago I read about how we're fighting in the middle east, using depleted uranium in our bullets, because it's less expensive. The D.U. is poisoning their soil, causing lots and lots of birth defects, and the "white man" in Washington D.C. just doesn't care. I also read about the north Pacific gyre, and how we're poisoning the oceans. The U.S. government just don't care. There's so many problems in the world, so much fighting, so much disrespect. If you have guns and money, you have power. I think that's soooo sad.

    There's millions of people, throughout the world, who are angry over many injustices, committed by the white man, red man, yellow man, black man, purple man, green man and blue man. Everyone has done it. And the victims have every right to be angry over the injustice. (*smile* I think the only people who haven't attacked other races are the Tibetan monks.) Unfortunately, that's the planet we live on.

    Anyway, getting back on topic... I really wish there were more programs in place for the locals. I wish they hired fewer travel nurses. I wish the Hawai'i health care system had the attitude, "We grow our own, we keep our own, we hire our own, and we support our own." Hope you personally have all the connections you need to get a job when you're done with school.
    Don't have too much time to reply, as I should be getting off to bed. But yes, I have read about many of the injustices done to many different people across the globe (while toying with the idea of majoring in English). And while I feel sadness for all of them, there is a sense of disconnect, because we do not share the same land, or culture, or ethnicity. I can empathize with the pain of whose people, but I can only really feel the pain of mine. I wasn't trying to drag the whole race issue into your thread- just trying to offer a different perspective for those who wonder why those of us on the islands are not too happy about having to move to find a job.

    And no, I don't have any connections here (on Oahu, anyway). I'm hoping to move back home to the island of Hawaii, where job prospects are even more grim. Woo. Hoo.
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    Quote from jessicadawn
    but i would never expect that hospitals in washington state should only hire "residents" the way you seem to think hawaii should. that's ridiculous and just demonstrates how ethnocentric and threatened you are.
    also:

    eth·no·cen·trism


    –noun1. sociology. the belief in the inherent superiority of one's own ethnic group or culture.

    i don't believe anyone here is being ethnocentric. could you please clarify?
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    Well I suppose this response if for Petunia2016 and Lisa from Maui, but I hope it reaches others too.

    I am not a native to Hawaii. My ancestry is not so well known but my maternal Grandfather was of Irish descent, my maternal Grandmother had Cherokee blood, and Swedish. My paternal Grandparents were full Filipino. I was born in Kodiak, Alaska. I live in Washington, USA. I have light skin, dark blonde hair, and blue eyes. What does that make me? How do you define me? Does that make me a "White Man"? Part of the system that corrupts pure, honest, indigenous cultures, and starts wars, and pollutes the air and ocean? I can assure you, that if you knew me, you would not dismiss me as an ignorant, white man who lacks empathy. I have found that it's easy to cast stones, but it's difficult to completely remove yourself from the "system" when you do things like, for instance shop at any big chain store, where most of the products are imported from the 3rd world or countries that use sweatshops and child labor. You can't really remove yourself from the system when you ride around in vehicles that burn fossil fuels into the ozone, the same ones that the US is fighting over in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    I don't think I really need to clarify why I used the word ethnocentric.

    Let me just say that when I was in Maui last year, I definitely got a sense that some of the history and culture is being eroded by corporations and tourism. I read that the "Superferry" is going to have detrimental effects on the less populated islands such as Kauai which until now have been out of reach for many tourists. I sympathize with Hawaiians about those Cruise ships. We in the Puget Sound are bombarded with 6 Cruise ships at any given time for the entire summer, it's destroying the delicate ecosystem of our beautiful Puget Sound and as you've pointed out Petunia, it seems that nobody cares-or at least the ones who do are not powerful enough to make an impact. When I was in Maui, I was told by one of the Natives, an artist who carves for a living, that the water supply from one side of the island is being leached by sugar cane crop corporations who use slash and burn which sends black smoke smoldering in the air for days and leaves the waterfalls in Hana to dry up. I'm sure real estate is very elite. I know that the land was sacred and now there are Westins, and Ritz Carlton's on that sacred land. It is very sad to me. But on the other hand, tourism provides most of the employment on the islands.

    Hawaii IS special, it's culture is beautiful. But this situation isn't unique at all. Historically it is the nature of Humans to find these special untapped places, and tap them. They call it progress, but for those of us who find wholesome nature, and history much more beautiful than a five star hotel, or a giant shopping mall, or a Starbucks on every corner, this is anything but progress.

    But this is all even a more compelling reason for you intelligent, strong, passionate women to really listen to what I'm saying. The chip on the shoulder routine is not going to get you anywhere. Resentment is useless. What you focus on expands. Focus on what you want not what you fear or hate. I hope you all get jobs and can work where you choose but if it doesn't happen right away, I hope you will have the foresight to do what it takes and move if you have to, temporarily. And I hope you go back home as soon as you can with loads of experience, and a little less narrowed world view. Maybe the "culture shock" of leaving your homeland for a while will serve you well.

    When you are successful, start a Co-op and pool as much money together as you can and buy up as much land as you can and preserve it. If you don't, if noone does, there's no doubt that Walmart, and Starbucks, and Hilton are going to take over. I hope that doesn't happen.

    I really wish you all peace, and open mindedness, and good fortune in all of your endeavors.
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    I understand how u guys feel. I had my orientation with a new grad from one of the community college here in Oahu. She worked as a nurses aide at the hospt. for 8mos. til she got a position as an RN. Well we both on a New Grad RN position at work, but I'm kinda different to all of you. I am a foreign graduate, moved here in the island and worked as a nurses aide for more than a year, decided to take my NCLEX RN last year april and I passed! from april to february of this year I was a nurses aide cause they don't have any opening for New Grad... I tried Long Term care but they prefer experienced RN.
    What I know, they have the Internship program at work. I think they get paid like nurses aide, that's what my friend told me.


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