Kapiolani Community College - page 4

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Hi, I am just trying to get some clarity on Kapiolani's RN program. I am a military spouse and am new to the island, so I called this college and was told that they do not take non-residents. Well do they mean non-resident... Read More


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    Quote from calimom
    as a military wife i have been in oahu for 2 months. i am a lpn here in hawaii and would like to become an rn. i finished all pre reqs for kcc in ca. except the nln exam which i am supposed to take in november. i noticed on the application it says, "local residents preferred" and it immediatly put a bad taste in my mouth. first, isn't this discrimination? the students at this school are funded by the state but also recieve federal financial aid!!! it clearly states that no school recieving these funds can discriminate becuase of race, religion, ect.... second, i was told by the nursing office clerk and the admissions clerk that military does not recieve resident tuition thus they prefer locals becuase they can afford it. wrong! we do. i was encouraged to apply to hpu. third, i was asked for a letter saying i will be here for several years after graduation to serve on the islands. excuse me? out of 100% of the rn graduates here on the island only 25% can find employment (most as lpns not rns). there are no jobs for new grad rns here so you have to go to mainland as 75% of graduates have reported! who cares if i'll be here after graduation or not? they could leave just as quick as i could. fourth, it's not easy to apply and it costs approx. $200 to get prepared for application. i am considering sending this information to aclu and also naacp for review. i am so furious that this behavior is still allowed and tolerated that i am willing to give up my advancment in career to bring a point to this sad and repulsive behavior. they basically looked me in the eyes and said, "get to the back of the bus!" shameful.
    no offense but you really didn't do your homework. if you went to an informational session before starting your pre-reqs you'd have seen that they are very explicit in their policy on giving preference to hawaii residents. paying resident tuition is not the same as being a resident. kcc is here to educate students who will benefit the local community. that's kind've the point of a community college. it's a little different than a university. as such, priority is given to residents who are most likely to remain in the islands. makes sense to me. sorry you didn't do more thorough research before pursing kcc.
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    First, I am a nurse and I work at a "local" hospital where I pay Hawaii STATE taxes. I paid $1080 to the STATE at Quarantine so my dog could sit there for 120 days. (Most locals will not pay that in state taxes in 4 years) I shop at all the same stores as you and pay STATE taxes. My children attend public schools - since we live on a federal domicile the STATE receives thousands of dollars for each military child. The DOD gives Hawaii STATE money to keep local operating because MILITARY are here! When I stayed at Hilton for 8 days I paid 20% STATE taxes. I registered my car here with Hawaii STATE. So - guess what? Us military folk and the pony we came in on -contribute MORE to your STATE then you do. In fact, if I looked up the statistics of who is contributing the most STATE funds to this island its not "local residents".

    Oh and since I am a nurse in the community I can tell you there are no jobs for RN's here - PERIOD! Are you a nurse because you should no that? Your argument about my numbers stated in my above blog is invalid. You know why? It is probably WORSE then 75 out of 100 and if you are a nurse here you know that. Sadly, your STATE funded hospitals won't hire your own new grads and would rather hire an experienced nurse from the mainland! No secret right?

    Do you now the definition of discrimination? In plain English, to "discriminate" means to distinguish, single out, or make a distinction. In everyday life, when faced with more than one option, we discriminate in arriving at almost every decision we make. But in the context of civil rights law, unlawful discrimination refers to unfair or unequal treatment of an individual (or group) based on certain characteristics. So yes - this is defined as discrimination.

    Do you know why KCC has gotten away with this for long? Hmmm, pretty obvious - we all complain but we don't take action! Military spouses feel as though we have no voice here. It's easier to apply somewhere else or not even pursue our educational goal. Did you read previous posts? There are so many spouses going through this. IT IS NOT RIGHT!

    You need to do your research on NAACP and ACLU. They do more then cover race issues. No - ACLU is not federally funded (who care's) but they have made significant contributions to the state of Hawaii. Including one case very similar to this. This is not about race - this is about not being able to have the same opportunity as a "local resident" in a Federally funded educational setting. That is discrimination in its finest form. Don't tolerate the "state funded" pitch that they will give you if you call today - they are like every other PUBLIC community college, - funded by STATE and FEDERAL government.

    I don't care to go back and forth with anyone. I am asking all military and non-local residents to take a stand! We have rights. We obviously are not alone in our situation which makes us bigger in numbers. This issue needs attention and the barriers in Hawaii need to be brought down. I have chosen a career to help others in need. I am by nature an advocate - if you are a true nurse you are too. Stand up!!
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    It's true the job market sucks right now. I've watched it do a complete 180* over the past 3 years. Our older nurses are putting off retirement. I'm sure you're also familiar with the fact that Hawaii's nursing force is on the older side. When the economy turns around and the jobs open up, I guarantee you most of the local residents that were forced to relocate for a job opportunity will return. That's the long term benefit of investing in Hawaii residents.

    If you feel you have a legitimate case, pursue it by all means. From what I've seen, KCC is very fair in their selection process. They are by far the most competitive nursing school in Hawaii so I'm pretty sure they've done their homework in regards to their admission practices. You wouldn't be the first to threaten legal action. Best of luck in your fight.
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    Like Calimom said, I don't want to go back and forth with anyone, there's just too much to debate and not worth the time to refute every single argument one makes. Not to mention how difficult it is to type out every thought you have. Ambiguous meanings are misinterpreted and then people start getting all heated (I am laughing as I type this, by the way). But as most people would naturally feel, there are things to clarify when one responds to you. Things like the DOD contributing money on behalf of military children students, well that comes from DOD, not from the pockets of military families themselves. And just because you pay a whole bunch of fees to set yourself up in a new place, doesn't mean we local people don't move from place to place while we're here. Did I mention how darn expensive my property taxes are? Ouch. I don't shop on base or at the commissary where things are cheaper and tax free, but it doesn't bother me. It's a well deserved privilege and I in no way object to it. I never said that even though KCC's policy is legal that it's right. I said just the opposite if you read again. Like I said before, I agree with all the non residents--military and non-military--who are not able to get into the program KCC has. My wish would be for everyone who applies to get in. I still disagree with your unconfirmed statistic. At the top of my head I know a lot of students who graduated from the KCC program and never left the islands for a job. The only reason why I reiterated the NAACP and ACLU is because you said, I quote " discriminate becuase of race, religion, ect.... ", I left the typos in there too. You mentioned race but I know exactly who the NAACP and ACLU represent and you are right, they represent other cases of discrimination as well. So just to clarify, this is not a 'race discrimination.' Yes, I know what the term discrimination means, and I know what the term race discrimination means too, they are totally different. Like mcubed45 said, make your stand and I too sincerely hope that you are successful. I wish they would open up more seats for more people of all statuses to get in. There's no need to take defense against posts that agree with you.
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    Aloha,

    Sorry to beat a dead horse and for those of you who have been reading this thread... Anyway, in regards to KCC, as a student here it's very very competitive for lack of enough nursing schools. In regards to military wives, think how many military wives fluctuate in and out of the state, now if 5% of those were competitive at the Community college level for ADN it would make the nursing school situation that much more upsetting to those on the island.

    The ADN program is considered a vocational degree. The BSN is considered a university program which is why the military clause sticks to the community college level and not the university. It really would be unfair to have those without residency beat the locals for the vocational ADN spaces which are already hard to come by. However, the BSN is fully open to those in the military. Why such hostility at understanding the reality of the "local" situation? Being in the military has its perks and drawbacks.

    The drawback is vocational education is reserved somewhat for state residents, understandably so, but the University is open to transient military folk that must come and go. If the vocational programs were not filled and in such demand then non residents could fill that quota but its pretty obvious. Nothing personal against the military.

    I hear the frustration and see that its gaining a ridiculous life of its own. Basically if you are in the military or a spouse , you have certain options for nursing. Community college is not one. HPU is, UH is and Chaminade will be.

    This is not discrimination. Its vocational school.
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    Quote from Calimom
    First, I am a nurse and I work at a "local" hospital where I pay Hawaii STATE taxes. I paid $1080 to the STATE at Quarantine so my dog could sit there for 120 days. (Most locals will not pay that in state taxes in 4 years) I shop at all the same stores as you and pay STATE taxes. My children attend public schools - since we live on a federal domicile the STATE receives thousands of dollars for each military child. The DOD gives Hawaii STATE money to keep local operating because MILITARY are here! When I stayed at Hilton for 8 days I paid 20% STATE taxes. I registered my car here with Hawaii STATE. So - guess what? Us military folk and the pony we came in on -contribute MORE to your STATE then you do. In fact, if I looked up the statistics of who is contributing the most STATE funds to this island its not "local residents".

    Oh and since I am a nurse in the community I can tell you there are no jobs for RN's here - PERIOD! Are you a nurse because you should no that? Your argument about my numbers stated in my above blog is invalid. You know why? It is probably WORSE then 75 out of 100 and if you are a nurse here you know that. Sadly, your STATE funded hospitals won't hire your own new grads and would rather hire an experienced nurse from the mainland! No secret right?

    Do you now the definition of discrimination? In plain English, to "discriminate" means to distinguish, single out, or make a distinction. In everyday life, when faced with more than one option, we discriminate in arriving at almost every decision we make. But in the context of civil rights law, unlawful discrimination refers to unfair or unequal treatment of an individual (or group) based on certain characteristics. So yes - this is defined as discrimination.

    Do you know why KCC has gotten away with this for long? Hmmm, pretty obvious - we all complain but we don't take action! Military spouses feel as though we have no voice here. It's easier to apply somewhere else or not even pursue our educational goal. Did you read previous posts? There are so many spouses going through this. IT IS NOT RIGHT!

    You need to do your research on NAACP and ACLU. They do more then cover race issues. No - ACLU is not federally funded (who care's) but they have made significant contributions to the state of Hawaii. Including one case very similar to this. This is not about race - this is about not being able to have the same opportunity as a "local resident" in a Federally funded educational setting. That is discrimination in its finest form. Don't tolerate the "state funded" pitch that they will give you if you call today - they are like every other PUBLIC community college, - funded by STATE and FEDERAL government.

    I don't care to go back and forth with anyone. I am asking all military and non-local residents to take a stand! We have rights. We obviously are not alone in our situation which makes us bigger in numbers. This issue needs attention and the barriers in Hawaii need to be brought down. I have chosen a career to help others in need. I am by nature an advocate - if you are a true nurse you are too. Stand up!!
    Calimom:

    You're an idiot. And a rabble rouser.

    If you are a nurse, then why are you so upset about KCC's prerequisites? Are you planning to go back to school? Second, you have a job, so why are you complaining about the lack of jobs in the state? Third, go back to the mainland, Hawaii doesn't need people like you.
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    Calimom:

    Seems you are angry and perhaps are barking up the wrong tree. What are you REALLy frustrated with ? KCC as I mentioned above is a VOCATIONAL career ladder school. This may be funded by the state , federal and heck, aliens but their mission is to educate to local first to fill vocational needs. ( its their mission and right) This really is not discrimination. And the line is clearly drawn between UH and kcc both state and federally funded.

    Hawaii is not the mainland and caters to many ethnic and cultural groups. We are not sustained by as much big company money. Why are you so freaked out about your fees ? Hawaii is expensive, you knew that before you came. Rant and rave but eventually you will get yourself sick. Its not negativity being placed on you, its the fact that Hawaii is unique and partial to its local community. You can't just get in a car and drive. I repeat this is not the mainland. Attitudes need to be left at the airport.
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    I am in the KCC nursing program and I was born and raised here but I am NOT Hawaiian. Why don't you people understand that "local" is not a race and is not to say only "locals" get into the program. To me, being a local means that you were born and raised here. I can tell you that more than half of my classmates were not born and raised here and that there are most in my class are from the mainland. Probably only 3-4 part-Hawaiians. So please stop making this system seem as if it is racially discriminatory towards hauole's or as if KCC refuses to take non-residents, they will take you into consideration if you have the grades and test scores but state residents have priority and just because you are a state resident does not necessarily mean that you are local. I suggest you do your research as well. Then you start bringing up crap about how you paid over $1000 to the STATE for your dog..seriously??? If I go to the state that you are from , I will have to pay YOUR states taxes too right?? So once again, this is a STATE funded program, paying $30,000 for each student..so they require that STATE residents have priority..how does this not make sense? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out..if there are not enough state residents applying, your in luck..but this will be close to NEVER..if this is seriously that hard for you to understand, maybe you should rethink your profession because things will only get much more difficult. Also, if you are so hung up on this, you should be taking this up with the STATE, KCC has nothing to do with these regulations..so go ahead and write to "your" legislature instead of declaring your hatred for our schools
    here.
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    Oh and Calimom, it just seems you have a pure disrespect for Hawaii and our people of ALL races and colors..Most locals never pay over $1080 in taxes in 4 years??, *** is that supposed to mean..Who are you to say that and why would you assume that? You think ALL locals have crappy jobs and are too broke to even make enough money to pay that amount of taxes or something? All this talk about how the STATE is soooooooooo discriminatory, yet the truth is..SO ARE YOU!!
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    I also agree with an earlier post..get your ass back on the plane cuz Hawaii dont need people like you here..BTW, I'm not military but I would absolutely LOVE to go shopping at the exchange or commecery..will they let me shop there if I am not in the military or a dependant of someone in the military??
    F-NO they wont right? Does that mean they are discriminatory as well? Well, I pay my FEDERAL taxes...DO YOU GET HOW STUPID YOU ARE NOW?


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