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No. 30
Old Aug 13, 2009, 10:01 AM

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Thanks for the input. Keep in mind that my goal is a FIVE year one. Not even I am so foolish as to think that I have a good chance of finding employment without having five plus years of experience a more advanced degree, a better job market and every certification available for what I hope is ICU nursing by that point (CCRN ect). As to stopping the pontification not a chance! It's who I am dude! My SO will tell you that I will often launch into a five minute "Braveheart" speech on the mortal coil of mankind before even taking out the trash! This is not a new obsession for me. Literally, half my nursing class literally expected me to abandon my family and move to Hawaii as a Bushman on the day I graduated!
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No. 31
from mcubed45
Old Aug 13, 2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceteris Paribus View Post
I would argue that I would simply prefer to stay in school and take classes and continue to improve my educational base if I can do so at price that is less expensive than paying the loans directly. I would argue that it's no more a matter of taking advantage of a loophole than those who trade their cars in for $4000.00 subsidies paid for by other tax payers or banks that take billions based upon governmental programs that authorize them to do so. At least half my debt (the Perkins loans) could actually be forgiven OUTRIGHT, if I only applied based upon the type of facility that I work in as a nurse (but I haven't applied for this and have no intention of doing so). Also, if I took a job at the VA (as several of my classmates did) ALL of my loans would have been repaid outright by the government (plus I would make more, have more vacation time, and better insurance/retirement pay). If it's not "stealing" to accept a job which pays the loans off with government money, then how is it such to defer my loans indefinitely while I'm in school?
Are you really trying to defend your actions with the argument that others do much worse? The great thing about the relative guilt defense is there's always someone doing worse. It's also irrelevant and does nothing to justify your wrong doing.

When you accept a job offer which includes loan repayment as a perk, SOMEONE is repaying YOUR debt. This is not the same as defrauding the system to avoid ever repaying YOUR debt.

You do realize that money being available for new students is dependent upon previous borrowers repaying their debt? If everyone were as ethically lacking as yourself, there would quickly be a severe lack of funding for students in real need. But I suppose that's not your problem, right? I'm not sure if you lack the mental capactiy to understand how your actions will affect others or if you just don't care. Maybe you were absent that day in pre-school when they taught everyone the importance of returning things they borrow.

In any case, please don't move to Hawaii. Such a self-centered attitude is hardly welcomed here.
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No. 32
Old Aug 14, 2009, 12:05 AM

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If I earn an income which facilitates doing so I will repay the loans. However, I'm going to remain in school however long it takes to earn a BSN and then NP degree of some sort. I do not feel that obeying current rules to minimize my payments is defrauding the system (indeed by definition fraud implies intentional deceit and a violation of the law neither of which apply to staying in school part time). Thankfully, we live in a free nation where we don't need the endorsement of others to live where we choose. You may not welcome me in Hawaii, but I welcome, you to Indiana or wherever you may choose to live. Furthermore, I am eternally grateful that we live in a nation where those with diverse opnions can peacefully coexist.
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No. 33
from life_aknew
Old Aug 24, 2009, 08:20 PM

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I just sorta stumbled on to this thread and though I tend to agree with the advice the OP received-I gotta say, he took it all exceptionally well. He kept the same attitude throughout the post and didn't seem to get defensive. I thought for sure it was going to turn sour real quick.
It was actually nice to see everyone participate in a conversation/debate in a mature fashion without name calling or personal attacks. Kudos to all.

And OP, I sincerely hope that you will achieve your goal of living in Hawaii one day
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No. 34
from cuteazz1
Old Aug 27, 2009, 07:39 PM

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I believe in dreams.

You are doing the right thing by asking questions and doing research.I hope that others can answer your original questions about the specialty.It's great that you are being"warned" on the col and everything,but I'm sure that you already knew that.I don't live in HI but I have relocated SEVERAL times...chasing boys,dreams,college,or just because-so my advice is to SAVE Save and save some more.You can do all the research and have the best laid out plans but sometimes things don't always go as expected.I try to have at least 6 months of living expenses saved when I move.If I were in your situation I would save enough to buy a condo in HI,then if the job market was not up then you could rent it and move back later....Good luck and don't let people discourage you.Remember "There are graveyards and prisons filled with dreams.".Live yours.
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No. 35
from SmilesNoir
Old Oct 04, 2009, 09:57 PM

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Wow! wow!

This thread is so interesting. I've never had a desire to live in HI. I moved from the land of Bearcats and Buckeyes of Ohio to Florida. I did my research about Fla. The reality of Fla was different. No one tells you that they do not want to hire transients from other states. Why they think you'll move back home per 'canes or actual low pay? They want to see you live in FLA for 6 months to yr. (this might change after the recession. IMO, FLA will be the last out of the recession.. we are tourist-retirement base economy) I'm laid off in FLA. Everyone says come home. I've decided to hunker down in FLA. I start LPN school soon.

Can appreciate OP dreams and goals? I do read rhetoric.

Can I afford to live in Fla? Umm, Hmm! No and Yes.. Am I living on beach (It's against the law to sleepover on the beach) or living in the park or tent city? NO! Am I piecing money together to pay rent? yes! (i'm unemployed So are thousands in Fla and OH) But, I am enjoying my slice of heaven.

So, Young Man go WEST! Just remember! Sometimes, Heaven can be Bablyon.

I miss White Castles! lol Oh the irony... lol.
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No. 36
Old Oct 06, 2009, 12:32 AM
Updated Oct 06, 2009 at 01:05 AM by WindwardOahuRN

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Originally Posted by SmilesNoir View Post
Wow! wow!

Why they think you'll move back home per 'canes or actual low pay? They want to see you live in FLA for 6 months to yr. (this might change after the recession. IMO, FLA will be the last out of the recession.. we are tourist-retirement base economy).
Oh my. If you think Florida is a tourist-based economy you really ought to take a look at Hawaii.
I thank my lucky stars each and every day that neither my income nor my husband's income is dependent upon the tourist economy in Hawaii. I thank God for our Union, seniority, and contracts. I thank whoever for the fact that I work in a facility that is hugely solvent and that I left a facility that was NOT at just the right time. I thank God that my husband accrued his pension benefits on the mainland before we moved here. I am truly blessed.
We are, here in Hawaii, classically (and proven over time), at LEAST five years behind the mainland in just about everything. The impact of an economic recovery will take much much longer to show the effects here.
If, as an individual RN, you can snag a position that will provide adequate income, go for it. But if you think you can just pack up, move here, and have your income guaranteed because you are an RN? Those days are long gone. Have that position secured BEFORE you move here or you might be in for a heap of heartache.
Caveat emptor.
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No. 37
from kauainurse
Old Oct 06, 2009, 08:19 PM

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BSN, or just being completing an RN degree on the mainland is a plus with a lot of employers here in Hawaii. The more letters after your name the better, so specialize and certify yourself. Belong to several nursing journals and affiliations.

Make sure you have it all in black and white before coming, heard of people coming and being jobless and having already signed a rental or mortgage contract! Good luck it is expensive and u might get Rock Fever just from being bored, but if you survive a few years, you'll adjust just fine and see that it is harder to leave than get here!!!
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