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| No. 20 |
Aug 11, 2009, 07:09 PM
Dear Winward:
Gems! Your words are gems! I wish more people on these forums would say it like it is... like how you do. I couldn't agree with you more... on pretty much everything you said.
You wrote, "Studies have shown that the average stay for a PROFESSIONAL who relocates to Hawaii is about two years." I didn't know that. It explains alot; it explains why I can't find a job.
THANKS AGAIN for your post. -- Lisa ;-)
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Aug 12, 2009, 08:32 AM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
Thanks for the input. I would make one point of divergence however. Just because the average stay is two years that doesn't necessarily mean that the trip wasn't worthwhile! I believe that Thor Hyerdahl "only" stayed on Fatu Hiva with his wife for a year (it nearly cost both of them their lives), but it was one of the defining experiences of his life! Those who walked on the moon were able to experience it for a matter of HOURS and yet for many it was THE defining experience of their existence. IF we moved to Oahu (or one of the other islands) for a year or two and ended up coming back to the mainland would we really be any worse off than in our current situation? Would we regret the decision to move out there in the first place? My significant other and I agree on at least one thing we don't plan to EVER retire! Whether or not I live in Antarctica or Hawaii, my plan is to stay in school until I DIE (penniless so that I won't even leave an estate for the government to confiscate). Indeed, one of my "dreams" is to start a "cheaper, online, but accredidated" college where those like myself (in boatloads of student loan debt) could take 6 hours to defer their loans (basically forever), but instead of charging $150.00 per credit hour, get the rate down to closer to $50.00! I know MANY people who started, but did not finish med school or law school who owe as MUCH or even MORE than me, but instead of making 55K per year earn less than 30.
Here's the thing one way or another I'm going to get to the islands the only questions is whether or not it will be living in a nice apartment/condo or in a tent somewhere up in the Ko'olau mountains. An even more basic question is which scenario would ultimately make me happier!
| | No. 22 |
Aug 12, 2009, 07:01 PM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
So you think it's okay to abuse a loophole in the system and never pay back money you borrowed?
That's called stealing.
How's about building some integrity before moving here. Thanks.
| | No. 23 |
Aug 12, 2009, 07:47 PM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
first the OP needs to get his life on an even keel and out of debt before attempting to move to the Islands. Part of that requires becoming more financially responsible, as he is spending waaayy tooo much.
Second, it is nice and all to have a dream, but you have a family (spouse, children), you have a responsibility to them that supersedes those dreams. It is all well and fine to risk YOUR life and YOUR stability for YOUR dream, but dragging your family in with you with a less than stable situation, that is another.
I would love to know what your SO/kids feel about living as a vagrant.
(I am having flashbacks to the story for "The Mosquito Coast" - a man so focused on his dream/fantasies to move to the jungle, that he destroys his family/his self). Most kids will agree with Daddy, but they do not have a choice. Parents often think that moving to some exciting locale, that their kids/spouse will love it, and often the kids don't love it.
I traveled to many interesting locales as a child, I also hated moving so frequently, had trouble changing friends quickly, suffered from depression early, and got a spotty education.
Does your SO want to weigh in on this? In her words, not yours.
| | No. 24 |
Aug 12, 2009, 08:18 PM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
She is a pretty "matter of fact" person and doesn't care to participate in online activities especially discussion boards. She loves to socialize, but vastly prefers face to face interaction. Our son is homeschooled so changing schools isn't an issue. No doubt she has higher standards for life than me. I could literally be happy living in a tent (as long as it's near the beach and I can afford at least one decent meal once a week or so, indeed during nursing school when I dropped from 270 to 180 over the course of a year I often water/multivitamin fasted two sometimes three days per week (and ate low carb the rest of the time when it was necessary to meet my self imposed weight loss goals). She is on board with Florida perhaps to an even greater degree than myself (it may not be paradise, but at least they have Disney, the beach, and no snow) and providing that we can find jobs which approximate what we currently earn (about $28.00, and $30.00 with night shift diff included) will be movnig within the next three to six months. She would consider herself (self described) a Jimmy Buffet, Hedonist, but with conservative, Glenn Beck like liberatarian social/political views. She considers me something of a left wing nut job, but never the less sometimes finds me at least remotely attractive if only in passing. Before being nurses we were once essentially "debt free" and gambled it all on a business which did well for several years. We basically decided to go back to school, take on massive debt and earn about 1/2 the money to enter a field that we felt would offer better long term prospects and offer the potential for life time growth (not to mention things like health insurance and work weeks which were not seven days per week and 16 hours long!). Plus, as I said originally we literally sat down and said what job(s) could do where we could dependably find work even in places like Hawaii (at one time nursing pretty much fit the bill!).
| | No. 25 |
Aug 12, 2009, 08:27 PM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu? Originally Posted by mcubed45 So you think it's okay to abuse a loophole in the system and never pay back money you borrowed?
That's called stealing.
How's about building some integrity before moving here. Thanks.
I would argue that I would simply prefer to stay in school and take classes and continue to improve my educational base if I can do so at price that is less expensive than paying the loans directly. I would argue that it's no more a matter of taking advantage of a loophole than those who trade their cars in for $4000.00 subsidies paid for by other tax payers or banks that take billions based upon governmental programs that authorize them to do so. At least half my debt (the Perkins loans) could actually be forgiven OUTRIGHT, if I only applied based upon the type of facility that I work in as a nurse (but I haven't applied for this and have no intention of doing so). Also, if I took a job at the VA (as several of my classmates did) ALL of my loans would have been repaid outright by the government (plus I would make more, have more vacation time, and better insurance/retirement pay). If it's not "stealing" to accept a job which pays the loans off with government money, then how is it such to defer my loans indefinitely while I'm in school?
| | No. 26 |
Aug 12, 2009, 08:48 PM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
>> Plus, as I said originally we literally sat down and said what job(s) could do where we could dependably find work even in places like Hawaii (at one time nursing pretty much fit the bill!). <<
Sorry...Hawaii is chock full of resident new grads and experienced nurses who are having extremely tough times finding nursing positions here. It is very much WHO you know now, too---FOB nurses with no contacts are on the bottom of the hiring heap. All things being equal (no stab at your screen name, Ceteris) recent Mainland transplants have always been on the bottom of the hiring heap but the shortage of experienced nurses here (speaking in the past tense) pretty much assured that they would find a hearty welcome despite their lack of contacts and recent arrival status.
But that was Once Upon A Time and that time has passed.
No "Golden Ticket" to a guaranteed nursing position in the Islands, anywhere, except maybe nepotism.
And one more thing---I'm no Pollyanna and realize that, since nursing salaries have climbed so steadily in recent years, many people are going into it for purely mercenary reasons. The money and flexibility are rationales for entering the field that I hear so often.
One has to wonder if they even care much for nursing at all or would happily skip into another profession if it offered the same salary and perks. | | No. 27 |
Aug 12, 2009, 09:08 PM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
As a free market liberatrarian I believe that money/perks are great motivators! When I used to wait tables no doubt money was my primary goal however I gave 110% to each and every one of my customers (I used to sometimes annoy my co-workers, parents, and friends by saying things with a fanatical zeal like the customer is my God and I will have no Gods before them), this is not to say that I always did a good job because frankly I just wasn't that GOOD of a server. In the same way although I entered nursing in large part for the money, flexibility and benefits I still give 110% each and every shift. I seldom take breaks (only to use the restroom), allmost never take lunches (only when they occassionally have ribtips and then only for 10 minutes to run to the cafteria), and usually stay late to chart "off clock". I serve each of my clients like they were the President himself and it doesn't matter if it's a prostitute with late stage HIV (a typical type of client at my inner city facility) or my own mother (and speaking of nepotism if I were in position to hire someone it wouldn't matter where they were from or if they were my best friend or worst enemy if anything I would hire my enemy first just to prove my fanatical dedication to my ideals of equality). This is not to say that I always do a good job, because I'm frankly not that good of nurse yet, but darnit I'm trying very hard to be the best one I can be. Yes, I'm motivated by the HOPE for a worthwhile future/career with good pay and flexibility, but I wouldn't try even one percent harder were I motivated by the promise of eternal life and salvation and the revocation of my sins (as were the Crusaders who approached their goals with fanatical zeal). As I look back upon my youth saying "the customer is my God" was foolish, but serving each and everyone of my clients to the absolute best of my ability matters to me greatly.
| | No. 28 |
Aug 13, 2009, 06:25 AM
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
Here's what I would do, and first let me say, my field is different than your, but is health related. There are several big health companies here on Oahu: Queens Medical Center, Kapiolani Medical Center, Straub Clinics for starters. They all have web sites, and Kapiolani Women's Medical Center often has vacancy announcements and are pretty good in replying to inquiries.
Go on line, check out those sites and apply. Wait a bit, call, follow up and then see about coming in for an interview. There are some very nice hotels in Waikiki which is very close to the Hospitals that I've mentioned, and now because of the downturn, they are offering reduced rates, so you and your family may be able to check in at a good price. Then take it from there.
I've relocated several times: From New York to Louisisna, from Louisiana up to Indiana; from New York to Guam. It is never easy, but I'm sure you'll succeed. Just a note: it is probably everyone's dream to 'live on the beach' etc. but don't forget, it still rains out there. You'll want to find a decent place to live, which brings me to......
Housing is not an easy thing to latch onto however, the cost of owning a home versus buying a condo is pretty steep. The average house on Oahu runs 1/2 million easy. You can probably find a nice size condo for 300,000. There are sign on rewards for being a nurse!
| | No. 29 |
Aug 13, 2009, 06:41 AM
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Aug 13, 2009 at 06:58 AM by WindwardOahuRN
Re: So what do I need to do to SUCCESSFULLY move to Oahu?
As I stated previously---just go for it. If you make it, you make it. If you don't, you don't.
Ditch the proselytizing and pontificating. No one really cares. We've seen it all before and are simply not amused. No one here gives a crap about Thor Heyerdahl or your assertions that the al fresco lifestyle in the Ko'olaus would suit you just fine (you might have to fight the local mokes for the prime campsites...got Pitbull?).
Any locals/residents care to join me in a group :::shrug:::?
Bottom line? It IS expensive to live here. You DO need a fair amount of cash to transplant here successfully. It's pretty much GUARANTEED that you will head back to the mainland within a year or two if you underestimate the COL here, not to mention other factors.
Enjoy the Travel Channel but please accept the fact that it does not display the whole picture regarding Hawaii. Not even close.
JMHO. YMMV.
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