Air Force made me mad!!! - page 2

The Air Force told me that I could ship out on 04/20/04 for 4n031 (Medic) Training. They knew that I was scheduled to go to LVN school on 04/05/04. I kept asking if I needed to call the school and... Read More

  1. by   TrinaRoschelle
    Thank you for your advice. I can not join trhough him for sure. I am really kinda scared to get a new recruiter because they will want to know why. When the Navy asked him for my medical record which he checked out from MEPS he did not want to give it to them ..He got mad. The LVn program that the army has obligates you for another 3 years and I am not interested in an 11 year enlistment with the army. I want to get My RN now so I am only going reserve.
  2. by   TrinaRoschelle
    yes, I know that you need to a BSN to be a nurse in the Navy and the Air Force. I also know that you can be a nurse in the Army with an ADN
  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from heatherbless
    call and ask for the battalion commander of that recruiting division and report him. Threaten him and tell him you will report him for sexual harassment and he will run like the devil!! It sounds like he is harassing you--protect your rights and tell him to get lost!. Get you RN and then down the road go in as an officer. Life is much better then.

    best, hty/
    best advice I have seen.....but in the USAF it is NOT a batallion, but a squadron. commander you want to contact. DO DO DO Take it over his head THEN find another recruiter. DO REPORT THIS BEHAVIOR!!!!!!!!!!!! It's unprofessional and unethical and downright evil. THIS is NOT a good representative of the USAF and not a person who should be recruiting people. He needs to be OUT!

    Get your RN and go in as an officer. THAT Is the BEST advice yet.

    Best wishes!

    Signed,

    10-year Air Force Vet.
  4. by   TrinaRoschelle
    Oh, I want to report him. It may sound weird, but I am afraid that if I do report him I will get a hard time once I enlist. He will not always be a recruiter. He has been in for a while. He called me today and left a very disturbing message on my machine. He told me that he hoped I had a good life. He said, " I hope you don't have to pay back all those loans for your school. Nearly 18,000" He knows I have to pay back the loans. This harrassment. He said, I hope you have a nice life. Then 2 hours later he sent me an email. I will post it for you.
  5. by   TrinaRoschelle
    Katrina, time is of the essance. I jumped through hoops trying to get
    you
    the best position at the best base. I had to give up your BMT dates
    today
    because someone else was ready to enlist today and I could not justify
    hanging on to them any longer. I get the impression that your were not
    that
    serious about joining the AFR because you tried processing with the
    Army,
    Navy, and us and never made a comitment. You could not even get me
    your
    family care information. That was the only thing holding you up. I
    even
    personally came by your apartment yesterday at 9 AM and no one answered
    for
    10 minutes. I left you a message out of frustration. You called me
    back
    around 9:30 AM when I was at MEPS, and that was the last I have heard
    from
    you. I have left several messages with no reply. Therefore, I hope
    your
    LVN school works out because the AFR is no longer an option. All you
    have
    to do is call, e-mail, something; but communicate your intentions.
    Good
    luck with school!
  6. by   MikeinSD
    Email or mail that it to his supervisor.... This is harrassment... Not recruiting....

    If he's doing this to you, what else is he doing to other women....

    Just a concerned dad, and retired Chief Petty Officer. It bothers me to see this stuff.

    Take care...
  7. by   TrinaRoschelle
    This the reply that I sent to him.

    First, I would like to say I am sorry that you feel the way that you do. Second, I am not in the military yet. I do still have some rights. I am sorry that you feel you wasted your time. As you stated on my voice mail. I was not trying to waste your time. I was not trying to waste mine.

    Ok, I understand that Lackland said that they needed the Family Care form yesterday, but I went to the school to talk to the director and make sure that everything was ok with me leaving. The reason that I wanted to talk to him is because I made a commitment to the school to start in April. He is an Ex-Marine and I did not feel right not letting him know what was going on since he is the reason why I was supposed to start in April. I was not supposed to start until July, but he pulled strings for me. This was not a part of his job and he did not have to do it but he felt that I deserved to get in earlier.



    There is not doubt in my mind that I will join and I will become an officer in the military. I will become a Nurse Anesthetist. Yes I did talk to the Army, Navy, and the Air National Guard. Oh, and the Army National Guard too. I talked to them before and during the time that I was considering the Air Force. The last I checked it was ok to do that. I thought it was recommended, but you can correct me if I am wrong on that. I have not talked to a recruiter that had a problem with it until now.



    The minute that I told you that I needed to talk to the school you started saying I did not want to join. All I was trying to do was to let the director know what was going on. When I talked to you the day that you said you were coming over. You told me that you were going to turn around because you needed to know what the school said before you came over here. So I went to go and take a shower and planned to call the school after that. Several days I told that I need to call the school. You kept saying wait to call. Then when I told you I had no choice but to call, you asked me why I had not called them before now. (Huh?) I am proud to be accepted into a school that is being run by a veteran. I did not want to let him down by calling him a couple of days before school started to say hey I can not go school. I wanted him know what was going on. He has respect for me joining the military and I have respect for him being a veteran.



    "You said you were not coming" How can you be upset that I did not hear you at the door? The ground keepers said that you were beating on the door and yelling for 10 minutes. They said you then went to your car and honked for another 5 minutes. When I checked the voice mail you said the same thing they did. You also left me a message telling me you did this because you were frustrated and you thought that I had decided not to join the Air Force. You said you thought I decided to go to school instead. Which was not the case at that time. What if I was not at home? "You said you were not coming" How can that be my fault. How can you become frustrated after coming when you said you were not coming?



    You stated that the Air Force is no longer and option for me. You have left me several messages telling me that I do not want to join the Air Force, but then you send me and email telling me to call you. Even if I planned to go to the LVN first, is it so wrong? The simple fact is this; I did not plan to go to LVN school first. What is in the military for me? I'll tell you.

    1. The minute that I sign up for the military I get 11,000 dollars out of my education account. Just for signing the contract. If I don't join I do not get a penny. How many of your recruits have this option other than me. None.

    2. I get a truck load of other benefits that have nothing to do with the military. Rental Assistance (etc,)

    3. I get help with my education... I need to be able to take my clep test for free or I will not be able to finish my degree when I want to.



    I actually want to join. I am quite patriotic. I loose more going directly to LVN school, but you say I don't want to join. I have been in an out of this house helping my family do things. So I have not been here when you have called. Like you said on my machine you hope I have a nice life and you hope I don't have to pay back all the loans I going to be charged for LVN school. (You already know that I have paid the loans back) I guess that was a joke. I will have a nice life.



    I have determination, will, and character. I work hard and I have employment performance reviews to prove it. I can give you names and phone numbers of supervisors that were so impressed with my work that they still call me find out how I am doing .You want numbers I'll give them to you.



    I am a leader and I have trained supervisors to work in different departments to increase productivity. You want a number to one of them ask me. I still refer customers to them. Which is something I could be getting paid for, but I do it for free. (SBC Home Entertainment) I have helped train several employees. I was selected to work as a liaison representing Banc Tec (a successful computer repair company).I have received several awards that I keep on my wall. I have numerous computer programming certificates.



    I take pride in my performance and I volunteer to do extra work that is not in my job description. I know what I want and I know where I am going. If I have to work two jobs to get the money for my degree, I will. I will be and officer in the military. Even if I have to wait until I get my degree. If this is how recruits are treated. I think I better pay for it myself. I anticipate the challenge of the military; However, I am already a leader. I don't need the military for that. I want to be in the military because I want to serve my country. I want the experience that only the military can offer. I want the respect and the honer. It is not the way that I can meet my goals. It is a choice that I have made. It's not a requirement.



    I do not have any hard feelings, but I felt I needed let know that I am going to join the military and that is all there is to it. Thank you for all you done, but in no way did it give you right to say the things you said. Frustrated or not.
  8. by   nekhismom
    report him, report him, report him!!!! WHOA. I joined the army without any harassment. I was also looking into the USAF and Navy. I should've went air force, but the army dangled a more appealing job in front of me. Oh, well. Still, that is the MOST unprofessional behavior that I have ever heard of.

    You do know that you may be eligible for loan repayment if you join the military after schooling, right? I don't know the details now (i'm not a recruiter, after all ) but it may just be an option. Don't let him threaten you.

    Best of luck to you.
    Last edit by nekhismom on Apr 5, '04 : Reason: typos!
  9. by   TrinaRoschelle
    Thank you. May I ask why you say that you should have joined the Air Force?
  10. by   nekhismom
    Quote from TrinaRoschelle
    Thank you. May I ask why you say that you should have joined the Air Force?
    Well, the air force just got treated better. They got better food, better lodging, better stuff in general. They have nicer bases in general (or at least they used to). There are more females in the Air Force. The AF is generally a 9-5 job (or at least it used to be in the pre-9/11 days, don't know about now). Life was just a little bit easier in the air force.

    Plus, I don't know any people who joined the AF and said they wished they had joined the army. I know LOADS of people who joined the army and wished they had went AF.

    Not really concrete, I know, but those were my reasons.
  11. by   TrinaRoschelle
    I See, I was just curious. I have head the same thing from several people.
  12. by   Calfax
    sigh......

    Trina,

    Your recruiter might be understandably upset if you back out of enlistment at the last minute.....but there's little he can do about it if you haven't sworn an oath or signed on the line. He should know this and should have cut you loose immediately. However, recruiters have quotas to fill. The armed forces needs people. Anything beyond a concerned phonecall may well be harassment and the military has very little tolerance for that anymore.
    You do need to understand that joining the airforce is a serious commitment. You should not even bother talking to a recruiter for any service unless you're serious about signing up. You must understand that if you sign on as a medic, you will be bound to honor the responsibilities of being a medic. Not going to school to be an LVN. It's either/or. While there are programs out there that let you go to school while you're enlisted, that depends on a variety of factors and each service has it's own requirements and in the meantime, you must serve your obligation as a medic.
    Secondly, why go to school as an LVN? Might as well go to school and get your BSN and become an officer. Much better.
  13. by   TrinaRoschelle
    Quote from Calfax
    sigh......

    Trina,

    Your recruiter might be understandably upset if you back out of enlistment at the last minute.....but there's little he can do about it if you haven't sworn an oath or signed on the line. He should know this and should have cut you loose immediately. However, recruiters have quotas to fill. The armed forces needs people. Anything beyond a concerned phonecall may well be harassment and the military has very little tolerance for that anymore.
    You do need to understand that joining the airforce is a serious commitment. You should not even bother talking to a recruiter for any service unless you're serious about signing up. You must understand that if you sign on as a medic, you will be bound to honor the responsibilities of being a medic. Not going to school to be an LVN. It's either/or. While there are programs out there that let you go to school while you're enlisted, that depends on a variety of factors and each service has it's own requirements and in the meantime, you must serve your obligation as a medic.
    Secondly, why go to school as an LVN? Might as well go to school and get your BSN and become an officer. Much better.
    I can understand that. I also undestand all the work that goes into getting things ready for a recruit. I have and had every intention of going into the military. And like I told my recruiter, I will go into the military. It is a fact. I like the advantage that it gives. The whole reason that I was moved up on the waiting list for LVN school is because of the military. Also, I did not watch some commercial yesterday and said " Hey, I want to join the military". I know how serious it is. I have been thinking about this for years. I know there are programs that let you go to school before reporting to basic training. There are a variety of different programs. If you do not call a recruiter you will not know about them. Example: The college first program and that is only one. I am not going into anything without doing research. I have every intention of getting my BSN, however the MGI BIll would help alot. I also have a cosiderable amount of money saved for my education. There are a variety of distance learning programs that I have already researched. Thank you for your reply.

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