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Aug 11, 2009 03:40 PM

What time does your LTC facililty start getting residents up?


ok, here's another gripe. In the LTC facility that I work at, which has 42 residents, the aides start getting residents out of bed and into their wheelchairs and out into the halls at 4am starting on one wing. I have asked the DON what is an acceptable time for this and she skirts around the issue. She really won't state what time the residents should be getting up.

We have residents that can get up on their own and usually around 5-5:30am I see them moving around in their rooms ready to start the day. I saw a nurses aide take a spray bottle of water and spray it at the faces of several of the residents who were already in their wheelchairs in the halls. I almost blew a gasket. This is outright abuse. DON fired the aide because she had been looking for some reason to get rid of that aide for months because of the constant bruises, skin tears and other complaints, but she could never catch her doing anything.

Anyway, just another rant from me. I am currently looking for a different job. Working in LTC is just not for me.


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from BerryHappy
Old Aug 11, 2009, 03:56 PM

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Find a different LTC!!! At ours we get the early birds up early (7ish), and the ones who sleep soundly through all the morning noise, get up when breakfast arrives (8:30ish).

I am horrified that anyone would wake someone with force, or in any unpleasant manner! Get out of that place!
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from annod81
Old Aug 11, 2009, 04:11 PM

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I'm sorry you haven't been having a great experience in LTC, and thank goodness that CNA was fired. I don't work in LTC, but have worked in a facility similar to it and patients that did not get up on their own were usually woken up around 7am, 7:30am the latest to perform ADLs before 8am meds. The late sleepers were woken up around 8am to take meds, allowed to go back to bed, then woken up again @ 8:30am for breakfast. 4am is really early!

Why do you think the DON is skirting around the issue? Do you think they want them to go to sleep earlier so they wake them up earlier? Since she's not giving you an answer, during your shifts (if you are the Charge Nurse) tell the aides to leave the residents alone until YOU feel they should get up... I wonder how that would go over lol. Best of luck in your job search!
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Old Aug 11, 2009, 04:14 PM

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I did my clinicals at a LTC last year and they have a very relaxed morning routiune. Breakfast is served from 7am-10am and the residents can get up whenever they want. If they want to go to breakfast in thier PJs then it is accetptable, only breakfast though.
If they wanted to eat in thier rooms that was fine too. They could also choose what they wanted for breakfast. The kitchen would make a special for the day, but there was always avaible a varity of cereral, fruits, and breads and if they didn't like the "special" and just wanted eggs that was also an option. The other meals for the day were the standard this is the time and everyone gets the same thing. My clinical would start at 6:30 and maybe 2-3 residents would already be up, the rest would get up when they were ready. The aides were not to wake anyone up, only go and check on them and help them when they were ready. Which is why breakfast would go untill 10am for those residents who liked to sleep in. Needless to say I loved that place, if my mom ever needed to go to a LTC I would love for her to go there.

I have worked as an aide in another LTC and there the night shift was expected to have some of the residents dressed for day shift and have the clothes layed out the night before and they would start getting them up around 5am, but then they would put residents down for bed as early as 5pm!
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from KarynicaRN
Old Aug 11, 2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BerryHappy View Post
Find a different LTC!!! At ours we get the early birds up early (7ish), and the ones who sleep soundly through all the morning noise, get up when breakfast arrives (8:30ish).

I am horrified that anyone would wake someone with force, or in any unpleasant manner! Get out of that place!

I hear you. This place that I am working at is just all over terrible. I have made several posts here concerning the fact that dressing changes aren't being done and the DON just tells me that "it happens". My arse! State just came in and gave the place 7 violations and that didn't include the roach infestation. I have worked in several LTC facilities and this one tops them all as a huge mistake. I feel sorry for the residents and their families. I feel like I am just banging my head against a brick wall and no one will listen. I was also told that administration is just a clique of people that have been there for a very long time (very true) and that it's useless to complain.

I feel so bad for the residents, but my time there is short. I refuse to continue to watch the DON do nothing about nursing mistakes because she doesn't want to fire a nurse because we will end up short staffed. Better short staffed than having a nurse around that doesn't do her job.
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from cincymom96
Old Aug 11, 2009, 04:29 PM

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It is the same time for some of the residents in my LTC facility. We have 88 beds and three shifts. Third shift is required to get some residents up and first shift ( which starts at 6:30) get the other residents up. Third shifts start getting residents up @ 4am. Do I agree with this? No but I do understand the neccesity of it. If third shift started any later they wouldn't be able to finish there work and first shift does not have enough time between start time and breakfast to get everyone up. So what do you do? I don't know. Working in LTC is very fustrating just because you see what happens to people when there to ill to care for themselves and theres no one to do it. It's even more fustrating when you see individuals working in the feild simply because it's a job but don't care about the residents.
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from KarynicaRN
Old Aug 11, 2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jziegelmeier View Post
It is the same time for some of the residents in my LTC facility. We have 88 beds and three shifts. Third shift is required to get some residents up and first shift ( which starts at 6:30) get the other residents up. Third shifts start getting residents up @ 4am. Do I agree with this? No but I do understand the neccesity of it. If third shift started any later they wouldn't be able to finish there work and first shift does not have enough time between start time and breakfast to get everyone up. So what do you do? I don't know. Working in LTC is very fustrating just because you see what happens to people when there to ill to care for themselves and theres no one to do it. It's even more fustrating when you see individuals working in the feild simply because it's a job but don't care about the residents.

This is exactly what the facility tells me. We have to start getting them up at 4am or they won't be ready for breakfast at 7am. There are between 43-47 residents depending on if there is someone in the hospital/out with family, etc. The DON gave the night shift aides a list of residents whom she expects to be up by 6am. We have 2 halls and it just seems so unfair to start waking up someone at 4am, throwing their clothes on them and then pushing them into the hallway. Of course half the time they aren't even awake. They are sleeping in their wheelchairs and it's really sad.

Here in Illinois there is a new program that a few facilities are trying out. The residents get up when they want to get up. They get their medicines when they want, they can eat at whatever time they want to eat and get snacks whenever they want. I believe that a nursing facility should be run this way. Who wants to be shook out of bed at 4am, have some old dress thrown on and then placed in a wheelchair in the hallway? NOT ME!
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Old Aug 11, 2009, 05:20 PM

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Res sleeping in the hallway is a heartbreaking site. When I became unit manager I stopped it. It wasn't easy, as the cna'S weren't used to it. I worked it out with our activities director to have our leisure center opened early, that way, the residents that are up early BY CHOICE, can go down there and socialize with other residents until it's time for breakfast. Believe it or not, some do like getting up early. For those who want to sleep, we let them sleep, we have what's called open dining, which means the resident can get something from the kitchen between the hrs of 8:00 A.M. and 7:00 P.M.. If someone wants to sleep in, they can get a bagel, toast, some cereal or a muffin when they get up.

I've been in my position since March and it is only now that the CNA's are starting to automatically take the residents to the leisure center instead of just parking them in the hallways. I do the same thing all day long, I don't want to see residents just parked in the hallways staring into space, in my opinion it is depressing and a dignity issue. We also got a facility dog (a puppy really) who the residents just love. I love my residents and for the most part work with good cna's and nurses, but it is a challenge every day to break bad habits.

Don't give up on LTC, it can be the most rewarding part of nursing. Good luck.

Roxann
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No. 8
Old Aug 11, 2009, 05:33 PM

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I would write them all up for getting anyone out of bed and dressed at that unGodly hour! We have several residents who have always gotten up and dressed before sun rise. Mostly they were fishermen and have been getting up this early for decades. If it it THEIR choice to get up at 5:30 or 6 we get them up. Otherwise they sleep till 6:30 or 7. One facility I worked for got cited by the DPH for having the lab tech come in at 5 am. The residents complained that 5 was way too early to have some stranger stick a needle in their arm!!!
Here's my question for those embracing culture change: all the residents get up when they want. They get their meds when they want. So the regulation is still medications will be given an hour before or after the scheduled time. IF there are NO scheduled times, how do you get around the regs?
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from Cynop
Old Aug 11, 2009, 06:06 PM

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On my floor there are usually 3-4 early AM "get-ups". These are people who want to get up early and complain if they can't get washed, dressed and up with or before the sun. They get up around 6-6:30. Everyone else gets up around breakfast time, 8am (some before, some after. We try to meet the patient's preferences if possible.)
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