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Jul 20, 2008 09:50 PM

Nurse Bashing


I was responding to another post and noticed that I, along with many others, tend to like to bash other nurses. Why is that?

I have worked in nursing for 27 years as a nurse and 2 more years as an aide and I have seen good nurses ran out of our profession because of no support from the other nurses they work with. Nasty rumors being spread about, back stabbing, etc.

Does this happen in other professions? Why is it that fireman/women, police men/women back each other up, their jobs are highly stressful and involve life and death but as nurses we try to eat our young/old/coworker?

Maybe just me but what do you think?


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from finn11707
Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:09 PM
Updated Jul 20, 2008 at 10:12 PM by finn11707

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I began an inquiry along this line too. I have been a nurse for 3+decades and have noticed this consistently in almost all the agencies where I worked. Perhaps the culture of nursing needs to be looked at. In some units I've worked, it felt like a dysfunctional family. Poor management, peer or doctor-nurse relations are often why a nurse moves on. Are there any CEU confernces on this? I have a theory. Besides employers skimping on the part of the budget which supports, validates and thanks nurses----we are perhaps not as good at taking care of ourselves as we are at taking care of our patients. Still, what is with turning it on one another? I have nurse collegues who say they never develop nurse friendships to hang out with outside work.
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from puggy232
Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:42 PM

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I've read a few journal articles on what you are referring to when after my first year as an RN I thought I was going crazy with all the rumors, backstabbing, and out&out meaness of the nurses I worked with. The journals basically referr to horizontal hostility as a coping mechanism(not a good one)of nurses who are on a lower end of a system of hierarchy (sp?) I agree it should be addressed especially in nursing school so new nurses aren't discouraged and know how to protect themselves from these people who can be quite vicious.
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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:45 PM

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You most likely know the answer if you are among the group that "bashes other nurses." I bet you have some thoughts and ideas why this happens. Just to clarify for a moment? We are talking about the work place and not some of the conversations on this site. Many of the people on this site post thoughts and points that they may not even consider outside of this environment. This is kind of like lab where we are safe to perform mad scientist experiments. I would not take anything said in these forums to heart. Some of us may not even agree with what we post; however, we may take on a counter argument for the sake of good discussion.

I think you will find bullies on all walks of life provided humans and some animals are involved. I also find people who may not normally bully will fall under peer pressure and you can see how easily people start to gang up on the odd man out.

You simply cannot stand for this. If a nurse is a nucklehead and kills patients, send the nurse packing. No need to go to the level of some of the lowest human beings of known history. Call people out on bad behavior. A strong, aggressive, and unbending attitude toward many bullies will shut them down. Sometimes, you need to involve people echelons above your pay grade. Sometimes, the environment is so bad, you simply need to cut your losses and get out.

As far as friends at work: I do not associate with many of my coworkers outside of the office. I do not see this as a problem, as we are professionals on the job and should strive to act as such. This includes having your coworker's back if the are in the right. It also means taking proper action when they are in the wrong. Both are difficult to do and neither involve friendsip or even liking the person. You simply act the professional regardless.
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Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by puggy232 View Post
I've read a few journal articles on what you are referring to when after my first year as an RN I thought I was going crazy with all the rumors, backstabbing, and out&out meaness of the nurses I worked with. The journals basically referr to horizontal hostility as a coping mechanism(not a good one)of nurses who are on a lower end of a system of hierarchy (sp?) I agree it should be addressed especially in nursing school so new nurses aren't discouraged and know how to protect themselves from these people who can be quite vicious.
sadly, the behaviour starts in nursing school. In my class it started in first year and has progressed to extreme levels. Not encouraging, often embarassing
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from Dixielee
Old Jul 20, 2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GilaRN View Post
You most likely know the answer if you are among the group that "bashes other nurses." I bet you have some thoughts and ideas why this happens. Just to clarify for a moment? We are talking about the work place and not some of the conversations on this site. Many of the people on this site post thoughts and points that they may not even consider outside of this environment. This is kind of like lab where we are safe to perform mad scientist experiments. I would not take anything said in these forums to heart. Some of us may not even agree with what we post; however, we may take on a counter argument for the sake of good discussion.

I think you will find bullies on all walks of life provided humans and some animals are involved. I also find people who may not normally bully will fall under peer pressure and you can see how easily people start to gang up on the odd man out.

You simply cannot stand for this. If a nurse is a nucklehead and kills patients, send the nurse packing. No need to go to the level of some of the lowest human beings of known history. Call people out on bad behavior. A strong, aggressive, and unbending attitude toward many bullies will shut them down. Sometimes, you need to involve people echelons above your pay grade. Sometimes, the environment is so bad, you simply need to cut your losses and get out.

As far as friends at work: I do not associate with many of my coworkers outside of the office. I do not see this as a problem, as we are professionals on the job and should strive to act as such. This includes having your coworker's back if the are in the right. It also means taking proper action when they are in the wrong. Both are difficult to do and neither involve friendsip or even liking the person. You simply act the professional regardless.

GREAT POST!! I agree with you 100%.
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from ANPFNPGNP
Old Jul 20, 2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by finn11707 View Post
I began an inquiry along this line too. I have been a nurse for 3+decades and have noticed this consistently in almost all the agencies where I worked. Perhaps the culture of nursing needs to be looked at. In some units I've worked, it felt like a dysfunctional family. Poor management, peer or doctor-nurse relations are often why a nurse moves on. Are there any CEU confernces on this? I have a theory. Besides employers skimping on the part of the budget which supports, validates and thanks nurses----we are perhaps not as good at taking care of ourselves as we are at taking care of our patients. Still, what is with turning it on one another? I have nurse collegues who say they never develop nurse friendships to hang out with outside work.
I'm certainly not seeing this amongst Advanced Practice Nurses. It may be because we are constantly getting bashed by PA's (your should check out "Physician Assistant Forum"), so we know we have to stick together!

I'll say this, the professors who taught my BSN program were some of the most vindicative, evil people I had ever seen. They would single out certain people (in my day it was usually the males and the younger students) and either get them to drop out or flunk them b/c of something they did or didn't do in clinicals. In fact, my former school was sued by 3 students in my class who were treated horribly and unfairly. A lawyer, hired by that school, actually came to our class 2 weeks before graduation and asked us about what had been going on! There was even a write up in the local paper about one of the lawsuits - UNBELIEVABLE! Sadly, some people who would have made excellent nurses were kicked out or dropped out of the program.

So, my theory is that those mean nurses were probably treated poorly during school and then the downward cycle began.

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from Acosmo27
Old Jul 20, 2008, 11:40 PM

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I do wish there was more camaraderie. My boyfriend is a firefighter, and I truly admire the brotherhood that he is apart of. IMO it has a lot to do with nursing being a female dominated profession not to mention being overworked and possibly a bit cranky... but I think we all know this already. Its just something that I have to get used to because I don't know that it will ever change. What I do know, is that once I become a nurse, I will do everything I can to have the backs of my peers and be a real team player.. and hope that I can receive the same in return. Kindness goes a long way.
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from rose2009
Old Jul 20, 2008, 11:42 PM

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..this is actually one of my major concerns when I become a nurse. I am in my senior year and aside from preparing for to pass the NCLEX soon, I worry about how am I going to deal with nurses who eat their young and not supportive to new nurses. The best I could do is to hope that I'm not going to be discouraged and so threatened that I would turn my back and forget nursing. I wish that God will send me to place to work where nurses can still remember that they were onced inexperienced and be willing to support other nurses especially the new graduates.

But, of course- I also pray that I won't be a pain in their necks either.
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from 2shihtzus
Old Jul 21, 2008, 03:56 AM

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I think it starts in nursing school. I remember one of my instructors saying, "There are STUPID nurses out there! Don't repeat their mistakes!" She did not instill any confidence or sense of team playing in us at all. I think they should make conflict resolution or working as a team a part of the nursing school cirriculum.

The amount of hostility between nurses bothers me tremendously.
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