New to LTC, does signing off MD orders mean something different here? - page 2
by auntiedebe 3,129 Views | 16 Comments
Hi, I am having difficulty adjusting to LTC and MD orders. I have 20 plus years experience in INPT, ICU, and ER; but am having difficulty understanding roles here. Is it different in LTC when you get a MD order? I was taught that... Read More
- 0Mar 10, '13 by CapeCodMermaidI always hesitate to take off another nurse's telephone order. I take off the orders I've received. Signing the paper means ALL the steps of that order have been done, and from what I'm reading here, some of you don't have the best systems...two spots to document a lab draw?? Three spots for a diet change??? Ridiculous. Our nurses are supposed to do 24 hour chart checks. We will be all electronic within the next 6-8 months so even that will be easier to do.
- 0Mar 10, '13 by DSkelton711Quote from BrandonLPNWhy would the person relieving the order and the person noting the order be two different people?
The person who "receives" the order should just go ahead and carry the order out.
I feel like I'm missing something
I am the DON and take orders over the phone and will put that I received the order. I then pass it onto the LPN to take off the order if I don't do it myself, so there are times when you will have a different person for those "steps". On our order sheet it has boxes to check off what you did with order (MAR, Lab order, care plan, etc.). Hope this helps.
- 0Mar 10, '13 by KarenJordanMost of the facilities I've worked at had the noc shift nurse transcribe all the orders to the appropriate place. The last two facilities I worked at, the rule was if you received the order, you transcribed it. Most facilities here now only have one night nurse so they don't put it on them anymore.
- 0Mar 11, '13 by tellis6645Obviously every facility is different! At my facility if you take the order, you take care of it. If our manager takes an order from the doctors, she is the one to make sure its carried out. I have on occasion signed out orders that werent carried out during random chart checks, but its not the norm. These are orders that were written by the doctor and missed, not telephone orders! We dont carry out others telephone orders. So in answer to your question. In our facility, no you cannot take an telephone order and not carry it out. Its considered your responsibility.
- 0Mar 12, '13 by michelle126Quote from KarenJordanSo if 7-3 or 3-11 gets an order, it isn't started until the next day if 11-7 is transcribing etc? How is this not a delay of care?Most of the facilities I've worked at had the noc shift nurse transcribe all the orders to the appropriate place. The last two facilities I worked at, the rule was if you received the order, you transcribed it. Most facilities here now only have one night nurse so they don't put it on them anymore.
- 0Mar 12, '13 by michelle126I think I understand what the OP is saying. A few times if I am swamped with things, I will get the order, write the verbal and keep it flagged. RNS and LPNS work closely so I will let the LPN know of the order and then when we get time etc take the orders off together.
Most often it could be for labs (we have two places to write them too) or maybe a diet change etc.
For the OP..what we do in this case is just flag the order. If it is flagged, it still needs taken care of. That way everyone knows what still needs done.
- 0Mar 21, '13 by auntiedebeThanks to everyone for your helpful words! I guess to a former CCU/ER RN things are certainly handled differently in LTC. I am glad that orders received but not completed are flagged. I will start there in trying to set up a procedure for handling orders so none get missed. I filled out 10 incident reports in my first couple shifts for labs or treatments that had been missed due to the mishandling of orders. Again, thanks all!