Lowest of the Low - page 7

Hi all, Hoping for some insight, support, advice. I have now been working LTC for 9 weeks. I am a new grad, had two weeks of training, and been on the floor on my own since then, hired as a charge... Read More

  1. by   twotrees2
    Quote from rmbelcher
    Hi Kristy,
    Just reading the thread here and thought I'd chime in...
    It caught my attention because several LTC's in my local area came shopping for Charge and Manager nurses in our school just before graduation.
    I believe they actually gleaned a few of us too.
    The thing is, and the thing everyone seems to be 'leaning towards' but not saying outright is this...
    You aren't stupid.
    You aren't doing anything wrong.
    The problem is that you're simply not qualified to fill the position you've taken.
    Please don't take offense to that statement, as I mean none.
    The fault isn't yours, it is the facility's, or those that chose to hire you.
    As a fellow new grad in an ICU, I know how you feel. There's a lot to learn.
    However; you should really do some critical thinking about your situation.
    Consider that currently you're a college grad with a nursing degree, and/or license, and that's pretty much it. You did not learn to be a nurse in school.

    Possibly the best thing right now is to consider that you would be better off to become a nurse before you try to tackle being a nurse manager.

    It isn't a 'hang in there' situation. It's more like a 'do yourself [and anyone relying on your care/leadership position] a favor' situation... so that you don't find yourself either on the receiving end of an attorney, or crying in the hallway as they wheel the body out. Sure, It wasn't your fault, but you're in charge and should have known. [re: sign here, P/P manual read. sign here, trained and checked off, sign here, you give us the right to....]
    Justice is blind my dear, and your wonderful facility or buddies in the system will serve you up with duck sauce when the fire's hot.
    I would hope your license means more to you than does jumping line to a charge position.

    Finally, I have to say, if one of my parents were in a LTC and I heard this story, I would carry them out on my back if I had to, just to get them out of that place. And again, it isn't about your drive to succeed and hang in there, it's about qualifications, experience, and ability, so please don't take offense.

    Please do think about that though.... what would *you* do if you heard a 9week old nurse was now in charge at your loved ones facility?

    Just some food for thought.
    Good luck in whatever you pursue.
    rb

    yes and what brings a chill to me is when these bosses will say yes theyd have thier family in there - you know they are lying or stupoid. ourlast DON brought her dad in when she came - she didnt last long and dear old dad went elswhere also -
  2. by   WindyhillBSN
    Quote from TheCommuter
    Here's my $0.02 on this issue: QUIT as soon as possible!

    If my nurse manager told me she would not recommend me for hire after my probationary period was up, I would see absolutely no point in returning to a place that does not respect me in return. Your skills would be appreciated at another facility. I wouldn't even bother returning to this place ever again.
    My thoughts exactly!!!!:yeahthat:
  3. by   AC439
    Many places in the health care industry are setup for failures no matter what you do (including my current employer). I'd stay emotionless with them, believe in yourself and look around for another job. There's got to be a place that you will find yourself comfortable with and may takes a while to find. I have worked in different fields and my eyes are really wide opened by how dysfunctional healthcare managements are.

    I was recently recommended by a coworker to raise my voice to the CNO about the problems on the floor. But what good will this bring to me? Literally nothing ! Things are presetted and won't change (at least won't changed by me). If I talk against their "presetted" ideas, I'm sure I'll be black listed. And I have seen this happen to a coworker.

    So, I'd recommend you to look around. When you are ready to quit and they ask why (which is a BS), just make something up and move on. Don't need to get emotional with management. If you do, they'll probably bad mouth you after you have left such as "so and so just left, yeah right, she is bi-polar, blah, blah, blah..." Not much suggestions here but hope this helps.
  4. by   Simplepleasures
    LTC ,this is typical, I say UNIONIZE! This is the only way things will get better, nurses nee PROTECTION and a VOICE.
  5. by   CapeCodMermaid
    Quote from ingelein
    LTC ,this is typical, I say UNIONIZE! This is the only way things will get better, nurses nee PROTECTION and a VOICE.
    You seem to have the same answer for EVERY post on here. A union will not make sloppy nurses better..will not make stupid nurses smart..will not help good nurses get better. It will only make it harder to get rid of the slackers.
  6. by   allantiques4me
    Im so sorry about your negative experience.You probably know in your heart !!you are a great nurse.!Ive been through a similar experience as a new grad.I had very little orientation also.Thought thats how it was supposed to be.I worked there for 2 years ,learned as much as I could,from different disciplines,Respiratory therapists ,RNs ,LPns .I started suffering from panic attacks.I used to call the facility at 2,3 oclock in the morning fearing Ive forgotten to do something,(I pride myself with being very consciencious and caring)(I feel you are the same way)A strong trait of nursing is kind and caring nature,please dont suffer,especially at the expense of your physical wellbeing.I personally ended up shpping aroundfor a new position,which I totally love ,You might need to do the same.Please dont be discouraged..I know youll be a good nurse
  7. by   Simplepleasures
    Dear Cape Cod Mermaid, maybe you are so busy swimming that you havent come to the surface for air, at LEAST I am trying to find a solution, or dont you think there is a problem, if so I guess you havent read too many postings here in LTC/Geriatrics.What would you suggest?
  8. by   banditrn
    Quote from CapeCodMermaid
    You seem to have the same answer for EVERY post on here. A union will not make sloppy nurses better..will not make stupid nurses smart..will not help good nurses get better. It will only make it harder to get rid of the slackers.
    Capecod - I've listened to you & Daytonite, and you both sound like awesome administrators. But....you aren't in the LTC that I just left, or many that I've read about.

    I'm not sloppy, stupid or a slacker - those seem to be the ones some places WANT to keep because they don't make waves. And I've seen a few stupid, sloppy, uncaring, downright MEAN DON's and Admin's.

    I see healthcare in general going downhill because of the money thing - but the money is not staying where it should.

    I'm not crazy about unions as they stand today - I think you're trading one set of political garbage for another. But until workers in general get a VOICE that matters, you'll continue to see decline.
  9. by   hope3456
    I had a similar situation to the OP last year as I started out as a new grad RN in a LTC. The DON thought I was 'fresh meat.' The only thing that saved me was I was working night shift. She would leave me nasty notes over the most trivial little things, but my theory was - if I really did something bad enough she is going to have to come in to the facility between 10pm and 6am to write me up, fire me, ect. Yeah right - she wasn't that dedicated to her job.:chuckle (It was obvious)

    I stayed in the job b/c I needed the 8hr night shift d/t child care issues - however, I found a babysitter who accommodates my schedule and went looking for a new job. I found one in psych - part time hours and I make 5+ dollars more an hour and my boss is great! She actually cares about retaining her staff.

    Oh, and the best part was the week after I quit the scheduler calls me asking if I could work one more weekend b/c they didnt have anyone else.......I told her he!! NO!
    Last edit by hope3456 on Nov 23, '06
  10. by   Simplepleasures
    Cape Cod Mermaid, Oh now I get it, you are in administration.No wonder you are so anti union, what, cant push around your "Sloppy, Stupid " ( in your own words) nursing staff if they have someone who has legal clout behind them? You are part of the problem that SO many have been voicing here.
    Last edit by Simplepleasures on Nov 23, '06
  11. by   banditrn
    Quote from ingelein
    Cape Cod Mermaid, Oh now I get it, you are in administration.No wonder you are so anti union, what, cant push around your "Sloppy, Stupid " ( in your own words) nursing staff if they have someone who has legal clout behind them? You are part of the problem that SO many have been voicing here.
    I'm sorry, I'm going to take issue with your post!! Not all admin's are out to 'getcha'. There are good facilities with good bosses - you just don't hear so much about them!
  12. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from CapeCodMermaid
    You seem to have the same answer for EVERY post on here. A union will not make sloppy nurses better..will not make stupid nurses smart..will not help good nurses get better. It will only make it harder to get rid of the slackers.
    I do not for one minute think that all administration is "bad".I do however think that the person who wrote the above statement and that type of attitude toward their staff may be part of the problem . Respect goes both ways.
    Last edit by Simplepleasures on Nov 24, '06
  13. by   lvs2nrs3535
    Hi Everyone, just a little update, and a couple comments, I am pretty certain that that is the problem, I raised my voice to the admin. and the DON when a patient of mine almost died because the CNA's left him in bed with a blood sugar of 56. They thought he was playing possum. :smackingf And didnt report it to me, (I think I already told this story, sorry if its a repeat). If I didnt just have a feeling that something was wrong, I would have never checked on him, he would have been left alone till lunch. The doctor told me he probably would have died, and I went to the DON and stated that we needed an inservice for the cna's on s/s blood sugar lows, ect r/t diabetes. My problems kind of started then. So, in advocating for my patients, I set myself up. I agree that making waves put me in the position I am in now. Oh well, :trout: I did put in my very professional letter of resignation, and the DON also told me that she would give me a good reference. Now I am on the job hunt, and wouldnt you know it, I got mono! Been sick for 3 weeks now. I am scared now I wont be able to find another job. ARRRRGH! As far as unions go, I am too uninformed on this topic to have an opinion on this issue one way or another. It doesnt seem to be an issue here in New England, I dont know of any here. Does anyone else?



    Quote from AC439
    Many places in the health care industry are setup for failures no matter what you do (including my current employer). I'd stay emotionless with them, believe in yourself and look around for another job. There's got to be a place that you will find yourself comfortable with and may takes a while to find. I have worked in different fields and my eyes are really wide opened by how dysfunctional healthcare managements are.

    I was recently recommended by a coworker to raise my voice to the CNO about the problems on the floor. But what good will this bring to me? Literally nothing ! Things are presetted and won't change (at least won't changed by me). If I talk against their "presetted" ideas, I'm sure I'll be black listed. And I have seen this happen to a coworker.

    So, I'd recommend you to look around. When you are ready to quit and they ask why (which is a BS), just make something up and move on. Don't need to get emotional with management. If you do, they'll probably bad mouth you after you have left such as "so and so just left, yeah right, she is bi-polar, blah, blah, blah..." Not much suggestions here but hope this helps.

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