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| No. 20 | 
May 13, 2009, 02:13 AM
 Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job
What I am understanding is that the two people who first reported to her AND four others were eventually fired. There is no innocent bystander that didn't fulfill her duty or that got off scot free while the OP suffered repercussions.
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May 13, 2009, 04:58 AM
Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job Originally Posted by achot chavi  Two wrongs dont make a right, the OP reported the story as is, she doesnt provide the discipline and she doesnt decide who should be disciplined, that is the DON and ADM job, (and in my facility , also the SW) . It isnt the OP's job to judge anyone, just to report.
Why are you attacking her for doing the right thing?
It seems to me, by criticizing her , you are supporting the staff who abused the pt and their accessories.
Please remember, if you were the pt being abused, you would want a nurse like her to care for you, I sure would!!!
I'm sorry, your shout button must be stuck today.
If you go back and read the original post...it CLEARLY states that the OP said in her original post...that she "heard" of the alleged abuse from "a nurse and a cna"...not a nurse and CNA that was involved in the abuse, and on top of that, didn't witness the event.
That is what we call 3rd hand information.
It is also called hearsay.
Guess what isn't admissable in court? Hearsay.
So ask yourself why is it not admissable in court? Because it's NOT reliable information. You don't pass along information that puts people's jobs and their license at risk over 3rd hand information.
You are missing the entire point...obviously nurses and healthcare workers are mandated reporters..but you have to be careful on where you get your information from. I don't think I have posted, nor seen anyone else post anything to the contrary.
I merely pointed out that the choice of words and leaving out a ton of important information...provided only after it was pointed out to the OP, to me, made the STORY suspect.
People get fired over rumors, exaggeratilons, stories getting passed around the facility, etc.
| | No. 23 |
May 13, 2009, 06:40 AM
Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job Originally Posted by BabyLady I'm sorry, your shout button must be stuck today.
If you go back and read the original post...it CLEARLY states that the OP said in her original post...that she "heard" of the alleged abuse from "a nurse and a cna"...not a nurse and CNA that was involved in the abuse, and on top of that, didn't witness the event.
That is what we call 3rd hand information.
It is also called hearsay.
Guess what isn't admissable in court? Hearsay.
So ask yourself why is it not admissable in court? Because it's NOT reliable information.
You don't pass along information that puts people's jobs and their license at risk over 3rd hand information.
You are missing the entire point...obviously nurses and healthcare workers are mandated reporters..but you have to be careful on where you get your information from. I don't think I have posted, nor seen anyone else post anything to the contrary.
I merely pointed out that the choice of words and leaving out a ton of important information...provided only after it was pointed out to the OP, to me, made the STORY suspect.
People get fired over rumors, exaggeratilons, stories getting passed around the facility, etc.
wasn;t shouting, I changed fonts and hit the wrong button, meah culpa..sorry etc.
I agree it was hearsay and I am sure that when she reported it she didn't say "I witnessed" but "I was told that such and such happened by this nurse and this CNA...."
IT WAS UP TO THE DON TO INVESTIGATE....and decide what is true and what is hearsay and not reliable evidence. I agree that hearsay is not reliable.
As ADON, the staff and family report all sorts of things to me, I believe none of it till I investigate and get hard evidence from other sources, (we have cameras, we do body checks etc.) As I wrote, the OP didn;t get her fired, the DON and Adm made that decision.
Reporting hearsay is allowed, all it does is trigger an investigation. The OP took a risk, if the info turned out to be untrue, she would have looked bad, as if she was setting up her friends. What she did could have boomeranged in her face!!! But she acted according to her conscience. I understand that you wouldn't have done what she did and I think we have to all agree to disagree on this.
| | No. 24 |
May 13, 2009, 01:58 PM
Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job
In a later post, the OP said that the nurse and CNA who told her were terminated because they were also involved in the abuse. Originally Posted by shannieliz Actually the nurse and cna that told me both got fired, they were both involved in the abuse, the nurse was trying to get the cna to not tell, and came to me for advice, which is when I learned about the whole incident, I asked her if she realized that what they had done was abuse, and she said YES, can you believe the nerve? 
I find it reprehensible that a trained health care professional at any level could participate in the abuse of a resident, be aware that his or her actions are abusive and continue to engage in behavior that he or she KNOWS is abusive. The nurse and CNA were trying to involve the OP in their cover-up. The OP is right; to have turned a blind eye would have been condoning their behavior and she, too, would have been guilty of abuse.
Would the situation be different if the abuse was physical rather than emotional? What if the OP said that her fellow staff confessed to her that they'd been sexually abusing a resident? Would she really need to be a witness to the actions or would she be justified in reporting what she knew to the appropriate channels?
However, I do see another side to this. Although the OP doesn't indicate this, I hope a thorough investigation was done by the DON prior to disciplinary action. If indeed the DON acted solely on gossip or third-hand information rather than checking into it personally, the employees could sue for wrongful termination if they were falsely accused and fired without a proper investigation into their acts. While some might disagree and say that the mere allegation of abuse is sufficient to terminate an employee, a fair and ethical DON would and should properly investigate all reports, witnessed or not. LTCs are indeed notorious for gossip and if every LTC terminated its employees only on the basis of rumor, there would truly be NO ONE working in these facilities. Even the best people can become fodder for the rumor mills.
It must have been very difficult for the OP to have turned in her friends and co-workers but she did the right thing. How would she have felt had she done nothing and the abuse continued or escalated?
| | No. 25 |
May 13, 2009, 05:01 PM
Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job Originally Posted by achot chavi wasn;t shouting, I changed fonts and hit the wrong button, meah culpa..sorry etc.
I agree it was hearsay and I am sure that when she reported it she didn't say "I witnessed" but "I was told that such and such happened by this nurse and this CNA...."
IT WAS UP TO THE DON TO INVESTIGATE....and decide what is true and what is hearsay and not reliable evidence. I agree that hearsay is not reliable.
As ADON, the staff and family report all sorts of things to me, I believe none of it till I investigate and get hard evidence from other sources, (we have cameras, we do body checks etc.) As I wrote, the OP didn;t get her fired, the DON and Adm made that decision.
Reporting hearsay is allowed, all it does is trigger an investigation. The OP took a risk, if the info turned out to be untrue, she would have looked bad, as if she was setting up her friends. What she did could have boomeranged in her face!!! But she acted according to her conscience. I understand that you wouldn't have done what she did and I think we have to all agree to disagree on this.
I agree with you completely...if it happened that way. Something in my gut instinct tells me that it didn't, and that is why the OP is getting the backlash at work.
However, I don't think it's appropriate to report hearsay because if you are wrong, someone's reputation in the facility can get seriously damaged in the process.
If the OP didn't feel responsible that she "got someone fired" then I doubt she would have used it as the title of her thread.
| | No. 27 |
May 17, 2009, 04:00 AM
 Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job
I think you did what was right no one should ever be abused in any way let alone in a nursing home. The incident must have been investigated and found cause to dimiss them. So you should not feel guilty for standing up for the residents that is part of our jobs. It may be hard right now but things will get better keep your chin up.
| | No. 28 |
May 17, 2009, 02:21 PM
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May 17, 2009 at 02:37 PM by vertekr
Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job "No one likes a snitch????? No one likes an abuser. If you know and don't tell you are just as guilty as the abuser."
How do you know that she was an abuser? were you or she there to witness it? This situation is all based on gossip and rumors. How about I goto your DON and tell them you were abusing people without any evidence? This is the U.S. not a communist nation, we need actual proof here rather than the he said and she said non sense.
Unfortunately, this leaves a huge stigma and financial woe on the accused. I don't know where your from but this is the real world. No one likes snitches. PERIOD! That's why there are anonymous hotlines for people to call, which I fully support.
Personally, I would have confronted the accused and avoid all this mess.
| | No. 29 |
May 17, 2009, 03:55 PM
Re: I got people fired where I work, and now hate my job
Then YOU would have been just as guilty as she. I AM the DON and have to investigate these sort of claims more than I'd like. Sometimes it's obvious. Other times it is he said/she said or the witnesses have an agenda. Read the abuse prevention policy of your facility. Most, if not all, of them say to notify the supervisor if you have ANY inkling of abuse.
PS Next time you dis me, you better check your spelling.
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