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| No. 10 |
May 27, 2009, 08:48 AM
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you?
Women's rights activists also tend to be extremists. It hardly turns them into prostitutes. They still work as nurses, regardless of the benefits they are offered. MOST companies offer discounts on their services to their employees. When I waited tables I got a discount when eating out at the restaurant chain I worked at. Now that I work at a very large hospital, I get a very cheap insurance premium that involves going only to the hospital I work at (we are self-insured). I don't see why this is a bad thing all around...it applies to EVERY OTHER JOB on the planet. Do you think car salesmen pay themselves commission when they buy vehicles? Why is it a bad thing when suddenly we realize it happens in plastics? My mother is a nurse for pain management and her boss gives employees free consultations and such...I guess that makes my mother the equivalent of a drug dealer?
Oh, and by the way, if your biggest incentive is salary then work in-patient nights on holidays. Some people choose clinic jobs which are rarely as good in pay because they value other things, like hours that they work. So if you have to work a 9-5 for personal reasons, considering that pay is going to be roughly equal between multiple jobs, you choose the one with the best benefits.
I'm sorry that you somehow equate prositution with cosmetic surgery, but when my mother was working for another doc she got free Botox. I dare you to call my mother a prostitute. Face it..some women want plastic surgery for outside of work, and if a job offers it for free then it has greatly boosted their income. My opinion of this is that the only people who are going to be accepting the jobs on that criteria are people who wanted the surgery anyway, but couldn't afford it. It's not like they are saying "If you work here you must get breast augmentation." They are saying "If you work here, you don't have to pay for the breast augmentation / collagen injections / botox / face lift / tummy tuck / lipo that you ALREADY WANTED but COULDN'T AFFORD.
So chill out. No one is forcing you to move to the Czech Republic and get breast augmentation for work, and don't condemn the actions of other people who are free to make their own choices about their own bodies.
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May 27, 2009, 11:28 AM
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you?
If the plastic surgery were a requirement to get the job, that would be bad. But it's not. It's an option and one that many see as a perk. I know for a fact that here in the good ol' US a lot of plastic surgeons offer free surgery to employees, and I know one very outstanding surgeon who offers surgery to any nurse at a very deep discount. I don't consider him evil, I don't consider him turning nurses into "prostitutes".
I doubt if a woman doesn't want the surgery that she would be forced into it. Either she wouldn't apply for the job or she would just not get it done.
Men and women who are not nurses choose to have cosmetic surgery every day. Does that make them bad? Is it worse because the employee can get it for free?
Where I work everyone has to pay for parking except employees. What does that make us? It's a perk of the job.
| | No. 13 |
May 27, 2009, 11:47 AM
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you?
"Women's rights activists also tend to be extremists."
Hahahahaha. Those RADICAL women, wanting equal pay. They clearly have no reason to, considering women barely make 75 cents on the dollar to men.
Sorry, just had to comment. It made me really laugh to see that.
| | No. 14 |
May 27, 2009, 02:54 PM
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you? 
"Plastic/Cosmetic Surgery = Prostitution???
As long as the facility is providing SAFE delivery of patient care,
GO FOR IT!
Since when did committing to 3-years of service
in exchange for FREE EXPENSIVE, COSMETIC SURGERY
emulate prostitution?
Sure,
you're HOOKING THE CUSTOMERS
with TRUTHFUL TESTIMONIAL EXPERIENCE
that all eyes can see and witness themselves. EXCELLENT MARKETING!!!
There's an old lingering school of thought or Old Wives' Tale in Nursing, that looks should NEVER MATTER.
I disagree---But careful now. I'm talking about looking YOUR BEST not reflecting a pin-up or porno star.
Let's be realistic. That old stereotype is dead.
So is the unmarried, matronly, Nurse Ratched, Old Battle-Ax.
"A little glamour never hurt nobody." (Author Unknown)
| | No. 15 |
May 27, 2009, 03:14 PM
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you?
oh come on! It's all a matter of what each person wishes. A person can choose to work somewhere else! I would do it in a nano-second if I felt that the surgeons were skilled at their craft.
I most definately would NOT go to a dentist whose employees had rotton or crooked teeth!
Relax.
| | No. 16 |
May 27, 2009, 05:55 PM
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you?
This happens here too. There's one facility in my area that has tiers on how much the procedure cost that they'll give you for free after a certain amount of years in. If the employees choose to have anything done before that they get 75% off. The dentists and oral surgeons do it too and so do all these weight loss clinics that are popping up all over.
Like someone said before most places want their employees to use their services to say how it feels from personal experience and to have examples of their work to show.
| | No. 18 |
May 28, 2009, 12:48 AM
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May 28, 2009 at 01:08 AM by achot chavi
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you? Originally Posted by Sonjailana "Women's rights activists also tend to be extremists."
Hahahahaha. Those RADICAL women, wanting equal pay. They clearly have no reason to, considering women barely make 75 cents on the dollar to men.
Sorry, just had to comment. It made me really laugh to see that.
sure we dont need money, .....we need breast implants and liposuction...
I guess I just find it degrading that when faced with difficulty staffing the clinic, instead of offering a better salary package (and dont tell me that they cant...) they offer this as incentive and we jump at the bait.
I have worked so hard to improve the professional image of the nurse, when a doctor did something inappropriate on a sexual level, I complained and refused to work with him,
I want to be viewed at work as a knowledgeable and vital part of the team, not as someone working so I can change my body image to that which the fashion world considers sexy.
If the clinic has trouble filling staff positions they could offer a better salary and if this current offer were rejected, I beleive they would have. That would improve all of our image greatly-
Sure the clinic made out like bandits, they filled their staff positions with little out of pocket expense and the free advertising as well as the staff advocating more elective cosmetic surgery (since THEY are doing it) is just a cherry on the top.
| | No. 19 |
May 28, 2009, 01:52 AM
Re: Have we sunken so low? Would you? Originally Posted by Be_Moore Women's rights activists also tend to be extremists. It hardly turns them into prostitutes. Womens rights advocates have been battling for rights that we all take for granted, People labeled them extremists when they wanted the right to vote etc, (gasp) Yes calling them prostitutes is an exageration, but it makes the point,
One which I respect our difference of opinions in
They still work as nurses, regardless of the benefits they are offered. MOST companies offer discounts on their services to their employees. When I waited tables I got a discount when eating out at the restaurant chain I worked at. Now that I work at a very large hospital, I get a very cheap insurance premium that involves going only to the hospital I work at (we are self-insured). I don't see why this is a bad thing all around...it applies to EVERY OTHER JOB on the planet. Thank you but I didn't work hard for my degree to be compared to a car salesman (no offense, but nursing a profession, and I had wanted it to be a respected profession- To follow your line of thinking, i would have worked in a furniture store after i got married in order to furnish my apartment, then go on to being a car salesman etc. I guess i should soon work for a funeral home....:-)
The reason these jobs offer discounts is because they are not respected professions, I am sorry to be so blunt... You dont have to undergo the years of training thatwe do in order to be an insurance salesman...
Oh, and by the way, if your biggest incentive is salary then work in-patient nights on holidays. Some people choose clinic jobs which are rarely as good in pay because they value other things, like hours that they work. So if you have to work a 9-5 for personal reasons, considering that pay is going to be roughly equal between multiple jobs, you choose the one with the best benefits. Yes, my biggest incentive is PRIDE in my profession, and that includes a better salary-
I would like to think that most people choose where they work on the basis of many things, convenience is one, I wouldn't compare this to that, but if you do, I respect your opinion
I'm sorry that you somehow equate prositution with cosmetic surgery, but when my mother was working for another doc she got free Botox. Did your mother choose to work for that doctor only in order to get her free botox? even if she did, that is her choice, the difference is the public image that is being presented here, not the individual situation. I would like to think we make better career choices but if that is what is important to all you nurses, then go for it, to each their own
I was stating my humble opinion here and have enjoyed the responses of the other side of the coin.
BTW I work in geriatrics and am proud of every wrinkle, gray hair, etc. I have seen cosmetic surgeries botched up , a friend was in bed for 2 months after liposuction etc, voluntarily going under the knife is not for me, but the success of the industry tells me that if is for others, and that is fine. But dont bring my whole profession into it We are all painted with the same brush
So chill out. No one is forcing you to move to the Czech Republic and get breast augmentation for work, and don't condemn the actions of other people who are free to make their own choices about their own bodies. You totally misunderstand me, i am all for personal choices, and this situation will repeat itself outside of the Czech republic after this publicity (so go for it if that is your thing) I just feel as a profession, it is disappointing. It has been fun hearing from the advocates of this. | | 100 members
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