You're going to think I'm nuts - page 3
I. LOVE. Nursing school. There. I said it. No, the NCLEX style questions aren't awesome. But they make you think! And when you learn the rationale behind the answer you should have picked,... Read More
Oct 6, '12hahah I share your sentiments! I loveas well. As hard as I have worked to get here, it has been everything I thought it would be and more.
I have made some awesome lifelong friends (and hopefully coworkers). I will never forget my wonderful, fabulous, helpful, patient instructors for without their knowledge and expertise, I would not be the student nurse that I am today. My program has a great reputation in our community and now I know why.
I love learning about medicine as well nursing and I eat up the knowledge ravenously. I will never forget my time in nursing school. I think what helped was having to wait so damn long to get in (FOUR years). In those four years, I took an EMT class, become a hospital housekeeper and just recently moved up to being a CNA there. As difficult as it is and as stressful it has been, I wouldn't change any of it.
TEN MORE WEEKS TILL PINNING FOR ME, OMG
Oct 7, '12I lovedas well. It was by far the hardest thing I have ever done, but would not change a thing. And BTW, we had a saying as far as grades go: C=RN
Oct 7, '12No, I don't think it's odd to love nursing school and be very happy there. I think it's how it should be, actually. People learn better when they are not exhausted and fearful and anxious and "fighting fires" all the time. If the instructors are proficient and organized and well-prepared, it's easier for the students to learn. I'd say if you have a majority of students saying that they HATE their school, then the school is completely to blame for it.
I can see how people burn out in just a 20-28-month program. I can see how some schools take what ought to be a fascinating and enjoyable education and turn in into sheer torture and misery and gruntwork for the students. I think that some of the schools are just bad. They have poorly-designed programs that prevent efficient learning, they pull students in too many different directions at once, the instructors are unprepared and/or they can't teach, and the demands placed on students are unreasonable. The diploma school that I was at had a rigid lockstep theory-lecture schedule, but the clinicals are on a rotation schedule that may or may not coincide with the lecture topics. Add to that, the RN theory subjects were not taught in the typical sequential blocks. It was all chopped up. They taught "normals" then "abnormals." As a result, sometimes you were doing your major clinical experience BEFORE you'd ever covered that material in class. Sometimes lecture and clinical topic meshed. And sometimes, you were doing your major clinical WAY LONG AFTER you'd covered the material in class. By not doing the relevant clinicals simultaneously with the lectures, most of the time, it was like doing double the work. If you hadn't had the clinical material before, you had to teach it to yourself to get through the clinical. If you had the lecture material too far in advance of the clinical, you had to review it all to get through the clinical. And meanwhile, the lecture/theory and exams were proceeding on at the typical pace of any nursing school.
(With L/D, we did the "normal" birthing babies one term, and then studied the "abnormals" and complications the next term. What the! Why not just study it all at the same time, start-to-finish, because how the heck can you separate it?? Why ever would you separate it???)
With that arrangement, the lecture exams were always comprised of several totally unrelated topics strung together (try GI tract, death/dying, and STDs - let's just pull topics out of a hat, why don't we.) I was always exhausted, always giving my all to do a first-rate job and learn the material in order to retain it, not just pass a test, and by the end of one year of that, I hated nursing, I hated that school, I hated opening a nursing textbook, and I told the management just what I thought, and I was out. We had at least two exams, maybe three, in that last term I was there, where fully 75%-80% of the students didn't get a passing grade! We had online simwork assignments given to us, but the school apparently didn't pay their Elsevier bill in time, because they didn't get the code number from Elsvier until 3 weeks or a month later, and then the school didn't extend the deadlines for the completion date, either! One time, we had computer-based assignments given to us, but the necessary software wasn't loaded on the school's computer until weeks later and the deadline for us wasn't extended. Dump, dump, dump on the students.
Burnout: Yeah, I had it. As a mature adult, I found the school's sub-par performance and indifference inexcusable. I still want to pommel them. Probably the rest of my class did, too, and they've only mellowed at all because they are now 2 months from graduating and can put it all behind them. Students were griping all the time, but also look at all the extra burdens and hassles we were putting up with, in addition to just the normal nursing school pressures and workload. Hospital was unbelievable, too: Patient bathrooms were always dirty. I observed a scrap of paper stay in the same spot on the OR floor for 2 days, which means that the OR floor was not even being swept or dry-mopped, much less bleached or disinfected. And the school management "just cannot understand" why I was so angry all the time?? OMG. If I had any romantic notions about nursing, I sure lost 'em after that experience.Last edit by Streamline2010 on Oct 7, '12
Oct 7, '12I can't say that I like nursing school. I like nursing though. I have a problem with having several manditory extra sessions like on 'how to study' considering we all have a minimum gpa of 3.88 to be there...please don't pull me away from my family or spend my gas money for stupid things like this. The library session was good...but again, they chose when...and then even changed the time less than 48 hours before the class (required car pool scrambling on my part). I have a BS in bioengineering and am in my 40's, please don't treat me like I'm an idiot when I ask a question. I have heard "oh, you are one of THOSE students"...and "wait until your ob/gen rotation and ask them"...well, the questions were pertinent and appropriate...even if we weren't going to be tested on them...my question is now, not in six months. And don't say that you want us to succeed if you are going to act like you expect us to fail when we walk in for a skills evaluation. My nervousness is from your attitude and your lack of direction of what is expected of me and not with my ability to perform the required skill. And I am honestly working very hard to be okay when a grade is in the 80's instead of 90's but it is hard to turn off the attitude that was necessary to earn my right to be in that seat. Honestly, I couldn't care less about the grades as long as I know what I am doing...the diagnosis of grade anal-ness is r/t requirements to get in this program. I am a life peer of most the instructors (along with the life experiences that got me here...including watching a husband die of cancer at age 41)...I am just knowledge deficit in the particular area of nursing. (Can you tell I'm a bit frustrated?)Last edit by blackribbon on Oct 7, '12
Oct 7, '12This thread was refreshing to stumble upon! I am awaiting my acceptance/denial to begin an ASN program in January and I have been having second thoughts because of all the "negativity" associated with nursing school. Thank you!
Oct 7, '12I'm a nursing student who enjoys the classroom but finds the clinicals to be overwhelming.....we are just beginning our second year in the adrn program and are down to 42 of the 96 students who began. Our school is tough and very few graduate in the end. Towards the end we will provide total nursing care to 5 patients yet, if we were hired by the hospital we are performing clinicals in we would be trained for 10 weeks to 6 months before we would care for 5 patients. I feel as if we are marginally trained and then thrown out there and then one mistake and you are potentially out.....scares the heck out of me...I truly hate it. I wish to be a nurse and a good one at that but give us a chance. I am one of the surviving 42 but I'm tired and concerned about the stress of the job once/if I graduate. Any comments would be appreciated.
Oct 7, '12Quote from LilgirlRNMany new grad programs have minimum GPA requirements and I was asked for my GPA at every job I applied to as a new grad and had to provide transcripts for one of my interviews. Is it the only factor employers consider? No. But do they look at your grades? Sure do.Just remember, no one (prospective hirers) cares what grade you made in nursing school.
Oct 7, '12Quote from hiddencatRNOur big hospital GN programs do the same. GPA and HESI are big factors. I believe the minimum GPA is usually a 3.0-3.5.
Many new grad programs have minimum GPA requirements and I was asked for my GPA at every job I applied to as a new grad and had to provide transcripts for one of my interviews. Is it the only factor employers consider? No. But do they look at your grades? Sure do.
Oct 7, '12Clinicals can be hit or miss. Some days I have a great nurse who really wants to teach me, but also understands I am a student and I dont know everything yet. other days it seems like the nurses just want to make you feel bad about anything you dont know. I guess it has allowed me to see what kind of nurse i want to be.
Oct 7, '12Quote from blackribbonI was in my late 30's when I started nursing school, with my old BSEd in my back pocket. In my rinky-dink PN program in the local community college, I think some of my instructors knew I could see them as the humbug behind the proverbial curtain, and my high standards in all things intimidated them. I knew when a test question was invalid and I called them on it. Yes, it matters when an A is a 92 and I have a 91.5 and your test questions are invalid. And why do I get chastised for being so uptight about earning A's? Why, even a B is pretty darn good, so why am I "being so hard on myself"? What's wrong with wanting to do exceedingly well? Isn't that what quality instructors want to see?I have a BS in bioengineering and am in my 40's, please don't treat me like I'm an idiot when I ask a question. I have heard "oh, you are one of THOSE students"...
And I am honestly working very hard to be okay when a grade is in the 80's instead of 90's but it is hard to turn off the attitude that was necessary to earn my right to be in that seat.
I'm so glad I'm finished w that program.
Oct 8, '12I guess I'm one of those people, too. I love my program, I love what I'm learning, I love my professors. It's a very tough program to get into, and occasionally someone flunks out. But the professors give 110% and if you meet them halfway they will do everything they can to help you succeed.
I've read a lot of posts where people tell horror stories about their programs, so I know there are bad ones out there. So, one thing I would say to prospective nursing students is, "Choose Wisely!" (I guess that quote gives me away as a non-traditional, older student :-) But I mean that. Talk to current and former students, and if possible talk with local employers. There is one local community college program that is not very well regarded. I spoke with someone from a local hospital the other day and they said that they don't even interview RN's who graduated from that program. On the other hand, there is another community college program nearby, and their ADN graduates are highly sought after because their program is excellent. I know, too, that sometimes you just don't have a choice. Like, there's one community college in a hundred mile radius, you have kids and responsibilities and you take what you can get. That brings me to my second thought.
Even if you don't have much choice about which program you can attend, you do have a choice about how you go through it. Half of it is attitude and the other half is sweat. If you are eager to learn, then at least one of your professors will respond. If you apply yourself sincerely, then you will see results. (And I agree with the original post - it's nice to get A's, but B's are fine, too. If you're worried about having a B average, then do some extra volunteering, or take on some organizational responsibility in school. Enthusiasm is contagious and most employers like it.) Stay focused and don't get hooked by the inevitable drama of school, whether it involves students or faculty. Stay focused and don't let yourself become intimidated by the work, or by a crummy school or a poor professor. Also, and I think this is important, allow yourself to become inspired by someone: a professor, a preceptor, a nurse who you've interviewed or met somewhere, a nurse who's cared for you, a nurse you read about... let yourself be inspired and you will have more energy for school, and for your career.
There is no getting around the fact that nursing school is work, but honestly, it can also be a blast!
Oct 8, '12How do you become a b student? Right now I am a mid c student and do not like it! What do you focus on when you study!?
Oct 8, '12I have to admit....
I'm loving NS. It's one of the hardest thing I've done and I moan and complain and have mental breakdowns, but I thrive when I'm challenged. It just makes succeeding all that much sweeter
I love the subject matter, I love my classmates, and I love being pushed to succeed. I'm an A student so far, but I'm ok if I end up with B's because I know I'm doing the best I can with what I have.
All that being said..;I'm ready for Thanksgiving break!