Why Not Just Do A Bsn Program??? - page 5
I'm sure that I am going to get ripped for this one but I am just curious. Whats the point of doing an ADN program? I mean, are you really going to be as competent as a BSN nurse? Considering the... Read More
May 24, '04Quote from AnnaN5I think you have been misinformed about ADN programs and maybe need to do a bit more research. ADN programs take on average 3 years because they make you take the anatomy, micro, etc before you start taking your nursing classes so you have 1 year of pre-reqs then 2 years of pretty much nothing but nursing classes. And in every BSN program I have looked into you have roughly 2 years of pre-req type classes, addition english, psych, etc classes then the last 2 years are nursing classes. So pretty much you are learning the exact same thing has the ADN programs except there are a couple extra nursing management/theory classes mixed in. If ADN nurses aren't competent and learning way less than you, how come ADN graduates can pass the same exact NCLEX test BSN grads take? Seems to me they obviously learned the same material you did....
I just finished my BS in Human Biology and have done a ton of research on second-degree BSN programs and normal ADN programs and am much more interested in going to a normal ADN program than an accelerated program
because of cost and I want more clinical time. If we are going by your logic of you are going to school longer so you should be paid more than ADN grads, well if I get a ADN nursing degree - shouldn't I be paid more than you since I will have gone to school for 6 years total for my BS and the ADN? I'm not trying to sound *****y but your logic is skewed.
I think that you may have a rude awakening one day when you may have to take orders from an 'incompetent' ADN nurse....
I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE! (and for the millionth time: I NEVER SAID THAT ADN NURSES WERE NOT COMPETENT!!!!! DAMN!!!!):angryfire
May 24, '04Quote from HU_nurseLOL....do you think there aren't ADN nurses in charge positions and management positions? Because there is.I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE! (and for the millionth time: I NEVER SAID THAT ADN NURSES WERE NOT COMPETENT!!!!! DAMN!!!!):angryfire
May 24, '04Quote from HU_nurseWell, you know what they say opinions are like, don't you?I posted this thread to gain insight and not to criticize...I PERSONALLY (REMEMBER FOLKS, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION) feel that the ADN program is just a cop out...But once again, like I said, this is just my personal opinion.
May 24, '04Quote from HU_nurseOh really? And why is that?I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE!
May 24, '04Quote from AnnaN5I'm sure there are...LOL....do you think there aren't ADN nurses in charge positions and management positions? Because there is.
May 24, '04Quote from HU_nurseSo if you aren't going to take orders from an ADN nurse, then are you going to go around work asking everyone if they are an ADN grad or a BSN grad? Its not like people have it written across their forehead for the world to see.I'm sure there are...
Haven't your learned that nursing is a team effort? You don't seem to willing to be part of the whole team. If you know who you report to is an ADN grad are you going to refuse to go to work or do what they say? If so, you would quickly find your way out the door.
May 24, '04LOOK PEOPLE, GET OVER IT! YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SO WHY ARE GUYS GETTING SOOOOO TOUCHY ABOUT IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL ONLY BE A BEDSIDE NURSE FOR THE REQUIRED YEAR B4 GOING BACK TO GRAD SCHOOL IN WHICH CASE I WILL NOT BE TAKING ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE OR BSN NURSE FOR THAT MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO I WILL REPHRASE IT: "AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY WELL PEOPLE I'M GETTING OFF WORK NOW BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF PISWSING YOU TOUCHY NURSES OFF TOMMOROW.:chuckle :chuckle :chuckle
May 24, '04Alrighty then.
Just a hint - putting a smily emoticon after your words does not make them any less offensive.
May 24, '04This is funny. Everybody is getting upset when, it's quite obvious that Hu Nurse didn't know what I was talking about when I mentioned NCLEX pass rates.
If Hu Nurse doesn't know what the NCLEX is, maybe she (or he) doesn't know much about anything else either.
:chuckleLast edit by Sheri257 on May 24, '04
May 24, '04Quote from HU_nurseSomeone has an inferiority complex!! You're going to be miserable if you go into your nursing career with that thinking. Hope everyone where you work has all their credentials listed on their badge.I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE!
Education is invaluable, but it is not to be lorded over one's peers (because ADN's ARE your peers, you know...assuming that you're not just a troll).
You posed the question asking if ADN could REALLY be competent didn't you? Did you really expect to bring up such a hot topic and not get "touchy" replies? Well here is my answer to you: Being a BSN does not make anyone a competent nurse. A competent nurse is competent because she/he knows their stuff.
I shall step down from my fiery red ASN soapbox now...
May 24, '04Quote from HU_nursewhew! speaking of touchy.. .. First, I don't believe I saw anyone 'trying to change your mind'. You asked question/posted comments and that's what this board is for...communication. Instead of calling us touchy, maybe we were just trying to educate you, huh?LOOK PEOPLE, GET OVER IT! YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND ON THIS SO WHY ARE GUYS GETTING SOOOOO TOUCHY ABOUT IT. AND LIKE I SAID, I WILL ONLY BE A BEDSIDE NURSE FOR THE REQUIRED YEAR B4 GOING BACK TO GRAD SCHOOL IN WHICH CASE I WILL NOT BE TAKING ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE OR BSN NURSE FOR THAT MATTER. SO THAT'S WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID SO I WILL REPHRASE IT: "AFTER COMPLETING MY REQUIRED YEAR OF BEDSIDE NURSING, I WILL NEVER TAKE ORDERS FROM AN ADN NURSE AGAIN!" HAPPY WELL PEOPLE I'M GETTING OFF WORK NOW BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF PISWSING YOU TOUCHY NURSES OFF TOMMOROW.
Also your 'no point in doing all that clinical when you barely know the theory behind it". HUH? Oh, we do know the theory behind each and everything we do in clinical. We're not just thrown on the floors of the hospital ya know...we are taught theory. Good grief.
Don't forget...we're all taking the same NCLEX and will get paid the same.
And why is ADN a copout???
May 24, '04i can't believe that people are still debating this issue. it is so tired. everyone has a right to their own opinion and no one should be made to feel inadequate/incompetent because of their chosen educational route. experience is the best teacher. when you actually "get out there" and be a nurse, alot of opinions you had in school will change. trust me on this one.
May 24, '04Quote from MLOSThanks Suzy ... you took the words right out of my mouth.
Just wanted to clarify - someone mentioned diploma programs being "3 years of clinicals and nothing else." Not so ... my 2-year diploma program includes the courses that are pre-reqs for most of you in ADN programs (A&P, micro, etc.)
It would be interesting to compare the # of clinical hours, however ... anyone got their program's catalog handy? My program's clinicals total 990 hours. Just curious how that compares.
Great minds think alike!
My 3-year program has a total of 1848 hours clinical. No wonder I'm so tired. :zzzzz :zzzzz