Why many new grads don't find jobs.... - page 5
While eating breakfast at a local diner in my scrubs, my waitress was excited to share the news that she, "finished my CNA clinicals yesterday!!" "Great! How was it?" I asked. She starts nursing... Read More
May 22, '12You can often obtain a certificate from yourafter your first semester of nursing classes with clinicals and then take the state exam and skills to get yur CNA certificate. This is how NY state does it. ANd yes there is a clinial component to the CNA course. NY mandates a certain number of hours.
May 22, '12You know what made me sad about this thread? How the lady in the post lamented about the "poor" folks at the nursing home with no socks, and how that is what made her NOT want to work in a nursing home, and go somewhere else that was less sad, easier work, more money, etc.,etc. What saddens me is that she didn't want to go into the trenches and be the person who made a difference. The people who are truly happy, truly effective in nursing are the ones who go in each day, determined to make a difference.
May 22, '12I have the same issue. I would love to work as a CNA/PCA, but it would mean cutting my current pay almost in half. Since my living expenses are not being subsidized by my parents/huband etc, I simply cannot afford to live on that paycheck. I have been trying to find volunteer opportunities in the local hospitals, but even those are difficult to obtain if you don't know someone.
May 22, '12It took me over a year to land a CNA job at a rehab hospital while I was in. The tough part was being able to do 2-3 weeks of orientation full time during a day shift, which is impossible while in school. Thankfully the minute I passed the NCLEX, they were able to promote me to an RN position. The experience I received as a CNA was fantastic and gave me a better understanding of what I was learning in school as well as propelling me into a nursing career.
May 22, '12Quote from country momYour post moved me My mom had to be moved from our local Alzheimer's Unit to one 6 hours away due to times of anxiety and aggressive behavior. The Unit had to hire traveling CNA's (who make more than RN's) to do one-on-one care for her. They were awesome. But too expensive so she had to move.You know what made me sad about this thread? How the lady in the post lamented about the "poor" folks at the nursing home with no socks, and how that is what made her NOT want to work in a nursing home, and go somewhere else that was less sad, easier work, more money, etc.,etc. What saddens me is that she didn't want to go into the trenches and be the person who made a difference. The people who are truly happy, truly effective in nursing are the ones who go in each day, determined to make a difference.
The new place is for patients who have a higher level of care needed - there are 3 patients for each CNA and the CNA's run all day long. The sad thing is, you can't keep an eye on 3 high aquity patient's all the time and my mom fell and broke her hip a couple of weeks ago. I made sure to thank each CNA the day I visited as they do a difficult and awesome job. I sat in the cafeteria and watched them interact with the patients and was impressed. Working in geriatrics is honorable work but very hard. Especially with dementia patients.
May 22, '12I just wanted to input my two cents here. I did not want to be a CNA, personally. I didn't think it could fit into my life while I was in nursing school. I know that they would be flexible with hours, but I also know me and I knew I would pick up extra shifts and work more than I should. I also just wanted to take a different path than EVERYBODY else. I felt as though EVERYONE was a CNA and I wanted to stand out. I worked at a Girl Scout Camp for a summer as a health supervisor. I worked under the supervision of an RN who came to visit the site occasionally. I would dispense meds throughout the day, take care of first aid and oversee the general health and well-being of the girls. After that summer, I worked at a rehab facility for people who had TBIs. I dispensed meds, was included in their overall plan of care and learned a lot.
Right after I passed my NCLEX, I got a great job as a public health nurse and I think that my experience really helped. I think it can be very rewarding to take the road less traveled
May 22, '12Quote from buckeyepaigeI think CNAs make about 1/4th of what I make now and I'm using my current paycheck to save up for nursing school. I've been eyeing the CNA course at the local community college just to get the experience (it isn't required for the nursing schools) but the schedule always conflicts with my pre-req classes. I work 40-50 hours/week and go to school. I was thinking I could go part time at my job and work part time as a CNA to reduce the hit in pay but we'll see if that can happen eventually.I have the same issue. I would love to work as a CNA/PCA, but it would mean cutting my current pay almost in half. Since my living expenses are not being subsidized by my parents/huband etc, I simply cannot afford to live on that paycheck. I have been trying to find volunteer opportunities in the local hospitals, but even those are difficult to obtain if you don't know someone.
I am hoping my experience at my current job will help me a little. I've been in the same job for 14 years now and have a variety of IT experience. No practical healthcare assistance though. Once I'm in nursing school, I do hope to see if I can get a part time job though.
May 22, '12Quote from buckeyepaigeI really think you should cut yourself some slack about working as a CNA/PCA. While I think there is nothing wrong with it - it also isn't necessary to be a good nurse.I have the same issue. I would love to work as a CNA/PCA, but it would mean cutting my current pay almost in half. Since my living expenses are not being subsidized by my parents/huband etc, I simply cannot afford to live on that paycheck. I have been trying to find volunteer opportunities in the local hospitals, but even those are difficult to obtain if you don't know someone.
Maybe all nursing schools don't work the same way - but when I went to school we learned basic patient care info first - how to make beds, how to transfer patients (we used gait belts), giving bed baths, doing vital signs, etc.
I came at this second career in my late 30's with no medical experience at all. Most of the RN's I work with had no CNA experience either. And they are fine nurses.
I guess I just want to make sure that folks realize that unless your school requires a CNA Certificate prior to nursing school, it's ok not to be a CNA first.
It's also ok to do it if you want.
But being a CNA first is no guarantee that you'll be a good nurse. That has more to do with what kind of person you are, how you view teamwork, what your goals are. It also doesn't guarantee you will get a job.
edited to add . . .if this adds another layer of stress to your family life, I'd definitely opt out . . which is what my mentor warned me about. Going back to school when you have a family (and a job) is tough. I focused on becoming an RN.
May 22, '12I really think this is somewhat region specific, as well. I can't say being a CNA before a nurse is a standard thing around here. I've known some, but it was more a part of their specific life plan, not because of some unwritten (or written) rule that we must all have work experience. NONE of my close, personal nurse friends did anything like that before/during school, and all are gainfully employed with no word of regrets in that area.
May 22, '12I just graduated from my LPN program in Dec. of last year and past boards early in the year this year and have had endorsement in NC for about a month. We were advised against working if we didn't have to in our LPN program - even by our nursing director - because the program is so intensive - and all 3 of them (2 instructors plus director) were RN's for over 20 plus years - so I took their advise. I wasn't above doing it - and now that I am out I am not sure how it would have helped me - I have even asked nursing recruiters here if I should seek out Nurse's Aide jobs (same as CNA here in NC) and was told to hold off on it - I wanted to do it just to get the experience but was told no, something should come up eventually. I do have a background in healthcare - its all I have ever done - just more the administrative side - I also have my Associates degree and great references. I still have no job after a month of looking.
My point is - I am not sure if it would have helped me or not to be more competitive here - but I think it never hurts to have as much practice as possible in the field you are going into. I made the excuse to myself that I was going thru a divorce and didn't want to take anything else on so I didn't persue it, but looking back I should have pushed a little harder and given it a go. I think I would still be playing the lottery tho with jobs -
May 22, '12well, not sure about all nursing schools, but mine had a 16 hour work limit restriction in place to remain in the program, though they didn't catch everyone who worked more than 16 hours a week in nursing school, the ones i knew who did work more didn't survive very long, nursing school at least for me and my class, was not easy, each semester between clinicals, homework, and class time, would spend easily 40 or more hours weekly doing all this, some weeks i counted 60+ hours for nursing school alone, and that went up even further on test weeks for mass studying
Not to discourage anyone, the reward at the end is worth it I understand (i wish i could say i know it is, but I'm at the new RN grad w/out job stage as many positions are open for experienced RN's but very few for new RN's in the geographical area I'm actively looking to work in)
But i think to get back to the point the original author was attempting to make, is I won't be turning my nose up at any jobs, but from what I've seen, working a LTC/SNF doesn't even gurantee to get you that job you want in another speciality down the road, many of the requirements i've seen for some of the specialities I would like to be in only accept experience from very specific areas (looking at ICU for example, ICU/Med-Surg/Tele ones i see accepted most often) though not sure how much of that is "preferred" when the job posting says "required"
PS whats this about the lie of a nursing shortage? Is it just in the short term its non existant?
May 22, '12I would LOVE to be able to gain experience through a hospital or health-related job while in nursing school!
That being said, it would be impossible for me to support myself financially if I did so. Not only am I maxing out in government loans, I also work 40 hours a week as a bartender and am barely making ends meet. I don't know how many of you have had to support yourself entirely, but I only wish I'd had the privilege of being able to work in a job in my field while in school. That would be absolutely fantastic. The tone of the OP seems to imply that some of us choose higher paying jobs over jobs for experience by choice, but for many of us it is a necessity. Without my bartending job, I would not be able to afford rent, pay my bills, and put food on the table. I don't even have a car - I use public transportation. I'm not here to make excuses, but rather to remind everyone that we're in a different economy, and it's incredibly rough for many of us to make ends meet - especially those of us juggling school fees, all of our own bills, and supporting a family.
May 22, '12breezy7, i am in the same boat. luckily, my job is tangentially related to nursing. But people say, "oh, just get a CNA job" like a 50% pay cut is easy when you are paying all your bills yourself. it is a calculated decision. pay tuition or be a CNA. You can guess what i chose.