Who believes instructors can be out to get you? - page 4

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on this ? Do you think instructors can fail you from a class because of personality conflicts and nothing else?... Read More

  1. by   mariedoreen
    Yes can happen. I do my best to make sure it never happens with me tho. I work my *** off, I keep my mouth shut, I don't challenge authority and I accept the instructor's word as gospel unless I am able to politely question the logic. Even with that, if I don't get the resolution I'm looking for very quickly I back off and accept what I've been given. Do I sound like a whipped puppy? Sure, but my motto is to learn as much a possible from every instructor and textbook at my disposal, not make any troublesome waves, and get through it. Cooperate and Graduate.

    By the way, I will be accepting hate mail for my unpopular opinion between the hours of 2359 and 2400 daily.
  2. by   smk1
    Quote from mariedoreen
    Yes can happen. I do my best to make sure it never happens with me tho. I work my *** off, I keep my mouth shut, I don't challenge authority and I accept the instructor's word as gospel unless I am able to politely question the logic. Even with that, if I don't get the resolution I'm looking for very quickly I back off and accept what I've been given. Do I sound like a whipped puppy? Sure, but my motto is to learn as much a possible from every instructor and textbook at my disposal, not make any troublesome waves, and get through it. Cooperate and Graduate.

    By the way, I will be accepting hate mail for my unpopular opinion between the hours of 2359 and 2400 daily.

    cooperate= graduate I LIKE THIS! it is so true and i agree 100% here.
  3. by   llg
    Quote from LittleCatB
    I'm not in nursing school yet, but it seems to me that an instructor is there to instruct, not to weed anyone out or pass judgement... I assume the dynamics are different for nursing school than other college programs, but it still doesn't make sense to me. It should be more objective than that.
    Bethany
    Yes, the first goal is to teach. But some people don't learn what you sincerely try to teach them. Sometimes, the only way they will change their behavior (which is what real learning is -- a change in behavior, not just the repeating of facts) is by learning the hard way (flunking a course) that they will not be allowed to be a nurse unless they change their behavior. Sometimes, giving a failing grade is the only teaching strategy that works. The student "wakes up to reality" and realizes that he/she has to change their approach and/or their attitude if they are going to be allowed to become a nurse.

    Remember ... the school and the State Board have an obligation to protect the public from "bad nurses." If we believe that a person will not be a good nurse, we have an obligation to the public to fail that person -- not allowing them to pass, to take Boards, and/or to practice nursing until they can prove that they can handle the responsibility for someone else's well-being. It's a privilege to practice nursing, not a right -- and people have to earn that privilege by performing at a certain level of technical competence, clinical judgment, and caring. Protecting the public from those who are not ready to be entrusted with that responsibility is a big part of an instructor's job.

    So yes ... try to teach first. But if that isn't working, the student can not be allowed to continue in the program.

    llg
  4. by   LittleCatB
    Quote from MLOS
    Yes they do, and you get to know your classmates very well also. It's a function of watching each other gain clinical skills and interact with patients. Spend 5 minutes watching your classmate deal with a difficult patient and you'll know a lot about them, perhaps more than you'd like to know!

    You know, in an ideal world I'd like to be able to say that anyone who has the desire and applies him/herself to gaining the needed knowledge can be a nurse, but really now ... think about people you know. Aren't there some who you wouldn't want anywhere near you or your family member if you were ill and vulnerable? I agree with llg that what gets harshly termed "weeding out" is really usually a natural and necessary process. (Yes, there are exceptions)

    JMHO.
    Having never experienced a clinical, I had a hard time understanding, but what you described does make sense!
    thank you, MLOS and llg, for explaining it...
    Bethany
    Last edit by LittleCatB on Jun 30, '04
  5. by   Saved_by_Grace
    :imbar [font=lucida sans unicode]ok, i have to come back and eat my words. i had a horrible experience today and it was a first for me. i am the studious type, actively participate in all classes..make good grades, do all assignments....yadda yadda yadda. today in anatomy we got our bone tests back and i made a 100!!!:hatparty: however this guy that sits next to me had a question about one of his and asks me what i put down. i told him and he says i put the same thing and they counted it wrong. he raises his hand to ask the instructor about his grade and tells the instructor that he put the same as me and i got it right but that they marked his wrong. the instructor angrily takes my paper out of my hand, even though i didn't say a word and says well little miss smartie pants will lose her point then and he marks a point off on my paper, and take my paper to his desk with him. the class was all laughing because we thought he was joking. but he never gave my paper back. so after our lab was over 2 hours later, i asked him for my paper back and he says i'm not gonna deduct the point this time but let this be a lesson to you. i'm thinking what did i do, your beef was with the other student. the instructor says that the other student needed to learn a lesson and grow up. how on earth was punishing me gonna teach the other guy a lesson, not to mention the embarrassment in class from the miss smartie pants remark. sheesh what a day!:uhoh21:
    Last edit by Saved_by_Grace on Jul 1, '04
  6. by   suzy253
    I've never had a bad experience with any of my instructors either in classroom or on clinical. Some will be strict and come down on you in clinicals and I've seen one instructor really get on another student's case about something but I think it was more to push him into being more on time, more organized, etc. She didn't do it in a bad way--was just stern about it...like OK...no fooling around now let's get this done. So....no bad experiences here.
  7. by   mariedoreen
    Quote from wannablpn2005
    :imbar [font=lucida sans unicode]ok, i have to come back and eat my words. i had a horrible experience today and it was a first for me. i am the studious type, actively participate in all classes..make good grades, do all assignments....yadda yadda yadda. today in anatomy we got our bone tests back and i made a 100!!!:hatparty: however this guy that sits next to me had a question about one of his and asks me what i put down. i told him and he says i put the same thing and they counted it wrong. he raises his hand to ask the instructor about his grade and tells the instructor that he put the same as me and i got it right but that they marked his wrong. the instructor angrily takes my paper out of my hand, even though i didn't say a word and says well little miss smartie pants will lose her point then and he marks a point off on my paper, and take my paper to his desk with him. the class was all laughing because we thought he was joking. but he never gave my paper back. so after our lab was over 2 hours later, i asked him for my paper back and he says i'm not gonna deduct the point this time but let this be a lesson to you. i'm thinking what did i do, your beef was with the other student. the instructor says that the other student needed to learn a lesson and grow up. how on earth was punishing me gonna teach the other guy a lesson, not to mention the embarrassment in class from the miss smartie pants remark. sheesh what a day!:uhoh21:
    what a jerk!!! is this guy new or something? i can't tell you how many times this has happened in my classes, where one person is marked wrong and one right for the same answer. they're only human for crying out loud, it's nothing personal. the guy who asked for your answer should have said tho, "what's the answer for question... oh, that's what i got." and left you out of it. but in any case, the instructor handled that very badly!
  8. by   blkdawn
    Let's not forget that instructors who have tenure don't have to have a high passing rate to make themselves look good. They're secure in their jobs no matter what.

    That being said, I just squeezed (and I mean squeezed) by my Pediatric rotation b/c of a personality difference between my instructor and myself. And I wasn't even the first person to notice it; my class mates were. They couldn't understand why she was so hard on me and not hard on people who did less work (or even the same amount of work).

    I have a Master's degree (and I think that was the beginning of my problems) and I'm a vocal person (problem number 2! ) and although I was expecting to learn a lot out of her, she was rude and abrasive to everyone and I wouldn't tolerate it. I politely and professionally gave her a piece of my mind one day during clinicals and she backed off verbally, but at the end of the semester, I could see she was disappointed that I didn't do anything during clinicals or lecture that would cause myself to fail.

    Even if you don't want to believe my side of the story, I've watched another instructor almost fail two of my classmates (one of them being a straight A student), because she just didn't like them. Period.

    So, yes. IMHO, There are some instructors after some students.
  9. by   ksrnstudent
    Yes, I do believe nursing instructors can be out to get you. I'm in an ADN program and the top student of my class. I have never missed a class nor have I missed a clinical day. I'm not one to sit in class and run my mouth, either. I was nominated by my class to be class president and also to be the president over the student nurses' association. However, the lead nursing instructor over first year has made my life a living hell. I loathe her as much as she does me. And the dean is just as bad! Here's an example of what they have done: As president I attend faculty meeting once a month. Back in April the nursing faculty was discussing how the president of the college and the board of trustees would be deciding the fate of the college health department within two weeks. The nursing staff was told they would be losing their health department due to budget cuts. The nursing department then asked if $1 per credit hour could be added as tuition for all students. The board denied their request. I had a couple of faculty nurses encourage me to get the word out to other students to help save the health department. The dean even gave me a list of board members with their home phone numbers and e-mails. So I put together a flyer and sent it out via e-mail to EVERYONE on campus, asked that each president of the class inform their fellow classmates, and sent information out to the local newspapers. Well the board members received a HUGE flood of calls and the president of the college was mad at the dean of nursing over the students contacting them. Soooo, the dean therefore was mad because her image was tarnished. So now the lead instructor is trying to get me to step down as president of the class. I have more issues than just this one and they always involve the same two people. However, I will say there are some really great nurses teaching there...just not those two!

    Anyway, I have really been second guessing myself why I went into nursing. I honestly wanted to quit after second semester was over. My husband has talked me out of it reminding me I'm only 9 months away from becoming an RN. I've also discussed my feeling with another faculty member who was one of my clinical instructors. She and I have become great friends and I love her dearly! She told me as long as I'm doing well and remain president, it will be very difficult for them to get rid of me.

    Sorry this was so long! Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention the most important thing: the health department was saved!
  10. by   grnmtngirl
    PM sent instead.
    Last edit by grnmtngirl on Oct 5, '06
  11. by   amybethf
    So ... when I hear about students who refuse to believe that nursing might not be a good choice for them ... and those students who blame the instructors for "not like them" or "picking on them," etc. I can't help but wonder if maybe what's really happening is that some instructor is trying to save that student a lot of aggravation and pain down the road by encouraging you to seek another career. Rarely does an instructor have any motivation to "pick on" a student and try to get them quit other than to save them and profession trouble later on.

    llg[/quote]

    I don't know if it's just me but how can an instructor know 'right away' that a student isn't the right fit?! If you are dedicated, motivated, trying your darnest to learn, doing everything you are supposed to, who is to say you should pick a different career?
  12. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    By the way, I will be accepting hate mail for my unpopular opinion between the hours of 2359 and 2400 daily.
    LOL i still remember reading this 2 years ago.
  13. by   studentfromhtown
    absolutely some are definitly out to get students. some are not. but yes unfortunately in my opinion i believe SOME instructors do favor students with certain personalities and dislike those with personalities they dont like. I think my school tends to favor outspoken personalities..me being shy and quiet ..i always got a hard time in school because i was soft spoken but that was my personality and NO the teachers were not trying to make me tougher (trust me i was trying to tell myself this) but they saw my personality as a weakness when in fact i saw theirs as a major weakness. I think some nursing instructors are just bitter and old and single and going through menopause. some are not. some are VERY nice and actually want to help but others have a mere purpose of making a nursing students life miserable.

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