What do you think of this statement?

  1. This statement was made by my professor during class yesterday, so I pose this question to all nursing students, as well as anyone else who'd like to participate.

    I am interested in hearing your responses and will post mine later in the thread.

    "We need to bring more males into the nursing profession so we will finally have the political power to achieve more favorable working conditions."

    Any thoughts? Agree/disagree?
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  2. 51 Comments

  3. by   jdomep
    OMG - what has THAT got to do with ANYTHING?
    So what is it they are saying? Women nurses are just peons and we need a real man to help us out? I sure hope that isn't the case.....

    Edited to say after reading the other posts - I guess it is the case Oh well - I wonder if our professors think the same thing? It might be interesting to bring up...
    Last edit by jdomep on Jan 7, '03
  4. by   baseline
    Oh my. Here we go again.
    Male or female. To date.....we are NOT politically influential...and I feel it is more related to the reason we are nurses to begin with...as opposed to our gender.
  5. by   BadBird
    What bothers me is that I think it is true, not fair but true.
  6. by   cindyln
    Originally posted by BadBird
    What bothers me is that I think it is true, not fair but true.
    it's sad but badbird you are right.
  7. by   llg
    I agree with BadBird .... sad but true. We shouldn't need more men in the profession to give us the political clout ... but having more men would probably help us get it.

    llg
  8. by   sanakruz
    Sad but true, badbird-

    It's a man's world.
    Read the threads about sexism in nursing. So many of us don't see it. This prof makes this statement in a lecture to students.
    There it is.
    They still don't see it.
  9. by   colleen10
    I agree that the statement is unfair, politically incorrect, etc. but I feel it is true and I am just a nursing student at this point.

    I feel this way because since graduating college 5 years ago and working in business I have seen the way women are treated by male counter parts, whether they be the mail room clerk or all the way up to Vice President/President. Women are not taken seriously in even the most "modern" industries like Information Technology, Computer Programming, etc. I have seen, first hand, top sales women, managers and even Vice Presidents fired or forced to quit their positions because they have gotten married or started a family and are not viewed as serious business people any longer. Having worked in Human Resources and Recruiting I have seen women with the same qualifications as a man make a significantly lower annual salary and bonus plan.

    I was even told when I started a new job in a small sales office that I was not going to be taught anything about how to do my job because "my husband would probably just get transferred to another city or I'll just get pregnant and leave anyway."

    To me it is a sad but true fact that it is a caucasion man's world. I think that this type of mentality may be found to a greater degree in various parts of our country - perhaps mine is one of those.

    I think nursing allready has a lot of tough sterotypes to disprove and it being a profession predominantly held by women makes it tougher for nurses to be taken seriously and professionally, since women, in just about any profession, have historically not been taken seriously nor treated fairly.

    I have to agree that it will take men entering the nursing profession for it to get the recognition and clout that it so deserves. I think if female nurses pull together they will be able to make change but if more men join the profession it will be easier and probably greater strides will be made. Just another sad chapter in women's rights
  10. by   CountrifiedRN
    Agree with what Colleen said, just can't put it as eloquently!
  11. by   RN always
    yikes, it would have been hard for me to hold my tongue after hearing him say that?
  12. by   2banurse
    Originally posted by RN always
    yikes, it would have been hard for me to hold my tongue after hearing him say that?
    What makes you think delirium's professor was a male? No he or she was mentioned.

    Kris
  13. by   TheBrainMusher
    I don't think I could make that face big enough for my reaction of how I felt. And its ashamed that people feel that to have male nurses, that is how you get political clout. I DISLIKE when statements like that are made, although they are controversial and most likely a good point in topic conversation especially in class. I feel so disheartened hearing people say that it is sad but true. Makes it seem that females can't make a difference and that is so untrue ... at least that is viewpoint that is expressed.
  14. by   colleen10
    I don't feel and don't think that other posters feel that women are helpless and cannot advance their professions just because we are women. History has taught us that women are quite capable and as capable as a man. Look at the women's sufferage (sp?) movement, the sexual revolution of the '70's, Sally Ride, etc.

    Is it true that women are viewed and treated differently in the work place? yes. Despite the advances that women have made there are still glass ceilings and women still make less per dollar than their male counterparts.

    Can women advance female dominated professions? yes, but I wouldn't doubt that it would be easier and happen faster if it was a male dominated profession. I don't think it is unfair to say that if it was a male dominated profession it would get more attention more quickly.

    Like most events throughout history women can make significant change but it seems to me that they have to work a whole heck of a lot harder for it. JMHO.
    Last edit by colleen10 on Jan 7, '03

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