Thoughts on Apple's Mac - page 4

Hey all Ive been a PC girl for quite awhile. Im thinking about getting a Mac eventually. The new Macbook to be more specific or what ever new mac laptop comes out when i get the hunkering to buy a... Read More

  1. by   CityKat
    Quote from lizz
    Actually, Mac's are becoming PC related, especially in the last year.

    Apple is now buying Intel processors and using the Windows operating system for some of their Mac's ... which means they're basically going PC.

    My guess is they had to do it to survive, especially with the accounting scandals and such. They just had to revise their earnings down quite a bit recently.

    If you think your Mac is different, it may actually not be so different, especially in the future. You might want to just go straight PC and save some money instead ... if that's all you'll be getting anyway.

    :typing
    Actually, they're only using the intel chip. They still have the same old mac operating system which is much better than the regular PC in regards to holes and constant operating errors. I have the new macbook with the intel chip and nothing has changed about the operating system that I was told. I hope that's true
  2. by   Sheri257
    Quote from StudentNurseBean
    Actually, they're only using the intel chip.
    Uh ... not according to Apple:

    Apple - Intel

    "Now every Mac ships with an Intel processor ...."

    Of course, Intel processors do contain Intel chips.

    :typing
  3. by   CityKat
    Quote from lizz
    Uh ... not according to Apple:

    Apple - Intel

    "Now every Mac ships with an Intel processor ...."

    Of course, Intel processors do contain Intel chips.

    :typing
    Hmm..that's interesting. I was just in Apple the other day to figure something out and the guy told me that I have the Apple operating system with only the chip. Perhaps it is the newest ones out? Mine is relatively new, but knowing how quickly computers change, mine is probably considered "old" now. I do suppose though, if I did have the intel processor, I would be getting viruses since there are soooo many holes?
  4. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from StudentNurseBean
    Hmm..that's interesting. I was just in Apple the other day to figure something out and the guy told me that I have the Apple operating system with only the chip. Perhaps it is the newest ones out? Mine is relatively new, but knowing how quickly computers change, mine is probably considered "old" now. I do suppose though, if I did have the intel processor, I would be getting viruses since there are soooo many holes?
    It does still contain the Apple Operating system... OSX or Tiger for short.

    Apple does use the Intel chips.

    Viruses are based on the Operating System and not the CPU (chip).

    (I am typing this messsage on a three month old Core DuoII I-Mac.)
    Last edit by sunnyjohn on Dec 30, '06
  5. by   Sheri257
    Quote from sunnyjohn
    Viruses are based on the Operating System and not the CPU (chip).
    Which means ... here comes the viruses ...

    Again, from Apple's website:

    Apple - Get a Mac - Run Windows

    "You can even run Windows Software ...

    Simultaneously download your corporate email in Outlook using Windows while editing a home video in iMovie using the Mac OS. Or how about this multi-tasking example from Mossberg: “I was able to do email in Apple’s Mail program while simultaneously watching a baseball game in Internet Explorer.”


    Now why do you think Apple is going with Windows? Because they had to. Just like they had to go with the Intel processor.

    Macs are starting to look a lot like PC's to me, except they cost more.

    :typing
  6. by   ginger58
    Quote from lizz
    Actually, Mac's are becoming PC related, especially in the last year.
    Apple is now buying Intel processors and using the Windows operating system for some of their Mac's ... which means they're basically going PC.
    My guess is they had to do it to survive, especially with the accounting scandals and such. :typing
    I think you have misinterpreted your information. The processor is not an operating system! They are adding Windows in to make it easier for Macs to communicate with PCs probably for business purposes.
    Apple is gaining market share and aren't having trouble surviving. It's the PC users that would like to think this way.
  7. by   Sheri257
    Quote from ginger58
    I think you have misinterpreted your information. The processor is not an operating system! They are adding Windows in to make it easier for Macs to communicate with PCs probably for business purposes.
    Apple is gaining market share and aren't having trouble surviving. It's the PC users that would like to think this way.
    I think you're confusing my post with somone else's. When did I say that the processer is the operating system? I didn't. I know the difference between the two.

    Read Apple's site. They're going with Windows because people want the Windows OS ... which will help them sell more computers.

    Just a reminder: this whole conversation started because people were stating they'll never go back to PC. I was merely pointing out the fact that the Mac is becoming more like a PC with the Windows OS and Intel processor.

    Afterall, the standard PC has the Windows OS and an Intel processor. And, for years, Apple refused to use the Windows OS or the Intel processor in their Macs. Now ... they are, probably because the marketplace demands it.

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 30, '06
  8. by   ginger58
    My husband worked in the semiconductor business for 25 years. I asked him to digest some of the postings and try to explain it as there is some incorrect information going around here.

    "Apple went to Intel because the previous vendor (IBM) could not keep up with speed and power demand requirements for the CPU chips. This relates to transistor size and the capital equipment investments required to make transistors smaller and closer together on the chips. Intel and AMD are the only US companies that can afford to buy the sophisticated equipment and develop the related manufacturing processes.

    Apple had to write its operating systems to work on the Intel chip designs, and has done so with every version of OS X because it saw the competitive shifts taking place in the chip manufacturing industry. The operating system itself has the security features that make it easy or difficult for virus writers to attack it; it does not matter who made the chips. If Apple computers were dominant, virus writers would spend their time attacking OS X instead of Windows. It is easier to attack Windows than OS X, as well, so there is presently little incentive for virus writers to attack OS X.

    Apple has released software that allows users with Intel-based Apple computers to boot Windows in a partitioned sector of their hard drive. The user has to supply his/her own licensed copy of Windows. This is to allow people who wish to use Apple computers to use applications that only run under Windows. Clearly, running Windows with an Internet connection opens the user to all the security issues associated with Windows. However, it is cheaper to buy a Windows machine for users who only want to run Windows-based applications. It only makes sense to boot Windows on an Apple machine if there is some legacy software that requires Windows, but all other uses are within OS X. Thus, it is not true that "here come the viruses."
  9. by   ginger58
    Sunnyjohn, "It does still contain the Apple Operating system... OSX or Tiger for short."
    The OSX operating system can still have Janguar, Panther, Tiger and soon to come is Leopard. It depends what series you have running in OSX. Tiger is just the latest.
  10. by   ginger58
    Lizz stated: "I think you're confusing my post with somone else's. When did I say that the processer is the operating system? I didn't. I know the difference between the two.
    Read Apple's site. They're going with Windows because people want the Windows OS ... which will help them sell more computers."
    Just a reminder: this whole conversation started because people were stating they'll never go back to PC. I was merely pointing out the fact that the Mac is becoming more like a PC with the Windows OS and Intel processor.
    Afterall, the standard PC has the Windows OS and an Intel processor. And, for years, Apple refused to use the Windows OS or the Intel processor in their Macs. Now ... they are, probably because the marketplace demands it."
    Please read my husband's posting (I think #47 under Ginger58) because you really are misleading people with misinformation! PC's also have AMD processors in them and not necessarily Intel.
  11. by   Nikonguy
    I've been using Macs since the late '80s -- generally they're very reliable and, over the long-term, cost effective. I'm writing this on a G3 laptop ["Lombard" for those in the know ;-) ] It was built in 1999, and for basic things -- word processing, e-mail, Web surfing and low-level photo editing -- it works fine.

    For high intensity tasks -- video editing, gaming and such -- I use my heavily upgraded Sawtooth. An Intel Mac Pro is in my not-too-distant future.

    As for Windows, Apple doesn't support Windows, nor does it bundle the M$ software with its machines. As someone said before, it's up to the user to install BootCamp, partition their drive (Or, I'd think, install a separate drive) and install Windows. I'd imagine someone would only have to do this if they wanted/needed to run a Windows-only program.

    I've used PCs in the past, and have to use one at work, but I suppose it's what your used to.
  12. by   SA2BDOCTOR
    Quote from #1rnstudent
    Deleting documents is easy. Drag it to the trash box.

    Are you saying just click the MAC word document and drag it to the trash? for and it will delete it?
  13. by   epiphany
    The mac's are NOT "going the route" of the pc's. All new macs, as of a few months ago, use intel chips, and therefore run BOTH mac and pc platforms. This is now standard on all new purchased macs. The acquisition of the intel chip is what gives the mac's this capability and power.

    Mac's are not going to give up their operating system, because that's exactly why people love mac's. It's the other way around. The advantage to the dual platform is that the pc programs are still currently more popular therefore some software are more friendly to pc's but will not be accessible to mac users. In other words, it gives mac-lovers, who will not part with the macs, the power to use pc software.

    In addition, it is a marketing strategy of Apple to lure in more pc users, who won't have to completely abandon the pc platform. But they are confident that once users try the mac's they'd be hooked, because let's face it - macs are fun.

    In other words, if you are planning to move a mac and you are purchasing a new computer, you don't have to worry about not being able to use your pc platform - it's 2-in-1.

    This also answers your question on how to print a pc document - you print in on your mac as a PC document, simply as that.

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