student nurse dreading outcome of misjudgement - page 6

Hello everyone. I'll make this short and to he point. My friend is in nursing school now and made a error in judgement. He was caught shoplifting at a department store. The item was a little over 100... Read More

  1. by   sbic56
    Quote from Catys_With_Me
    I guess people see this one differently. For me the question is not one of danger but of which line will he be stepping across next.
    You're right. It's more about how we see people than the law itself. I believe people are basically good. I am willing to allow someone a reasonable indiscretion, allow them the benefit of the doubt. No right, no wrong here, just differing philosphy.
  2. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    I've received two PM's from members who have honestly shared their opinions on this board, who were threatened by others who posted differing opinions. Threats are not well tolerated by the administrators of this board, and I've encouraged both to forward those PM's to the moderators. There is no need for bullying here (or anywhere).

    Looking at the commentary in this thread, which I still think is an excellent one for the purpose of promoting good nursing standards, I'm fascinated by a rush to judgment of fellow members of allnurses coupled with such extreme protectiveness of an admitted felon. There are accusations of having "crushed" someone's "self esteem"--the thief isn't even a member of this board. Seems odd that thinking, educated people would suggest that my (and others') right to our opinions, with supporting argument, will "crush" someone's self esteem, and it was further submitted that this is the reason people are in jail ("gaol").

    How sad that the safety of this kid's future patients takes a back seat to whether or not he can get away with his act with little or no consequences.

    What heroic efforts we have in this thread to quash any discussion of the desirability for automatically doing the right thing, and for that to be important for nurses. After all, in our "unjust" society where the thief might not be allowed into nursing, which would certainly hurt his feelings.

    There have been a lot of threads about the low opinion people have of nurses and nursing. Well, gee whiz, I wonder why? We are so busy making sure that everybody that wants to be a nurse has the "right" to do so and that we are kind and forgiving of wrongdoers whose remorse comes swiftly when there is the potential for punishment, that we overlook the most important issues: safety of our patients, followed closely by safety for ourselves. We are certainly taught this in school (even now).

    Ours used to be considered a "hallowed" profession...... So much for tradition.

    Frankly, I'm glad for the BON's. Their job is to keep the profession in their respective states safe, and I'm glad they do that. I'm glad they err on the side of caution, as we all should when it comes to vulnerable persons.
  3. by   truern
    Quote from sbic56
    He probably can't afford it, but without it he won't get the justice he deserves.
    Sbic, I'm honestly wondering just what "justice" you think he deserves? Mind you, if he'd simply resisted the temptation to steal, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    It wasn't food he stole, nor was it any life-sustaining necessity. It was a stupid electric razor!

    I honestly don't know what transgression warrants getting removed from school or being denied a nursing license, but I can assure you I'll never be in the position to find out.
  4. by   sbic56
    Quote from truesn
    Sbic, I'm honestly wondering just what "justice" you think he deserves? Mind you, if he'd simply resisted the temptation to steal, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    It wasn't food he stole, nor was it any life-sustaining necessity. It was a stupid electric razor!

    I honestly don't know what transgression warrants getting removed from school or being denied a nursing license, but I can assure you I'll never be in the position to find out.
    I am only saying that the crimal justice system is largely based upon who can buy their way out of a bad situation. Now, I am not saying that is a good thing, but it is the way the system works and it works when true crimes are at hand, not something like this. As far as what justice her deserves...and I am basing this opinion only upon this charge...I believe a system that would label soemone a felon and bar him from entering any chosen career based on this incident alone (razor theft), is not one that serves the people. I have a very hard time using the word felon and this person in the same sentence. With proper representation, this should be reduced to a misdemeanor charge, he should smarten up and be allowed to go on with his life.

    I hope no one would find themselves in the position where this type of indiscretion was a career ender fo them...that's my entire point in arguing it's potential unfairness.
  5. by   sbic56
    Since it seemed so unreasonable to me that this person was being considered a felon, I did a quick google search, ie, "shoplifting first offense misdemeanor felony" and in every reference I found, first offense shoplifting of this amount, is indeed a misdemeanor. I wish I had done this before page 7 of this thread. *shesh*

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