student nurse dreading outcome of misjudgement - page 4

Hello everyone. I'll make this short and to he point. My friend is in nursing school now and made a error in judgement. He was caught shoplifting at a department store. The item was a little over 100... Read More

  1. by   Catys_With_Me
    Quote from sbic56
    There is no indication this person would not make a great nurse based on one arrest. I'd need to know much more to have an opinion on whether he would be a good person to be around vulnerable people.
    But from an ethical and professional standpoint it can be argued that an arrest may be an indication that they would not be... If you want to sit down with someone and form an opinion after extensively exploring their character and soul that is a wonderful, worthwhile thing to do personally. The reality is that those who license and employ nurses usually do not have the time, inclination, and/or resources to put into such an endeavor and must go off something considered to be more concrete and less subjective... the acts a person has or has not committed. As a result, these become a primary indicator of a person's character instead. The best predictor of future behavior is often past behavior. Always? No. Often enough? Yes. Unfortunately that's the situation you put yourself into when you do illegal and unethical things. Fair to everyone? Probably not. Fair for most? Probably yes.
  2. by   truern
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    student nurse mistake part2

    I just wanted to thank every one for their input. It has been very helpful. Meanwhile, my friend told me that the item he stole was an electric razor that he was going to give his father and that he faces the judge on the 20th, so I will keep you all posted. Please fell free to reply back with any more advice or comments.
  3. by   cherokeesummer
    Just out of curiousity can we find out the details - i.e. what did he/she steal? What did they say as their reason? I'm just curious - I mean if it was medicine for a sick child or food for a starved family member or was it a stereo, or was it a article of clothing that they wanted or whatever? I'm just curious as to the what/why aspect too...

    Thanks all! Very interesting debate here and I figured I'd like to know more details.
  4. by   speedykicks
    "I am talking about people who judge others based on one indiscretion. Not right, IMO. The punishment should fit the crime. "

    I am not judging this young man based on one indiscretion. I am arguing for the validity of licensing requirements that exclude convicted felons - assuming that the court has already made the judgment in accordance with rights citizens have when being tried.

    Now I am curious - how many of you live in states where any felony conviction excludes you from licensure as an RN? Is this common?

    As for this particular fellow - if it really is a first time offense, and there are other character witnesses and evidence that can support the fact that this crime is not consistent with his character or behavior, then he stands an excellent chance of having the charge reduced or being eligible for diversion if it is moved down to misdemeanor level, right? So, in essence, our judicial system is set up to consider these facts - the licensing boards do not have to. And finally, just because I argue in favor of the merits of standards that exclude convicted felons from licensure does not mean I am do not empathize with the young man. It sucks he may lose the chance to be an RN because of his actions and it is too bad he didn't more fully consider the potential consequences before choosing to steal.
  5. by   Hodge
    Ouch an electric razor....This is very serious indeed. If might NOT have been so bad if he had:

    1. lied about weapons of mass destruction to start a war for personal gain, kill 2000 US soldiers and countless Iraqi civilians, and then cut veterans bennefits for our soldiers who are coming home.....

    2. committed treason by outing an under cover CIA agent because the intelligence they provided did not meet your preconceived notions (even though those notions were clearly wrong)

    3. subverted campaign finance laws to funnel corporate contributions to steal an election

    4. made an insider trade on a blind trust account

    5. called for the assasination of a foriegn leader who was democratically elected

    I mean he stole an electric razor. This is clearly far more serious.....




    Stand up, Keep fighting - Senator Paul Wellstone
  6. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from Helen46
    Time to change this thread.
    Oh? Says who?

    If you want to start a new thread, you certainly have the ability to do so.

    But why change a thread that is addressing a serious issue related to nursing?

    Let's see if we can stay on topic.

    The OP posted that a young man of 22 stole an item worth more than $100 and is now awaiting his fate. Concern was expressed about whether the young man would be able to obtain a license to practice nursing.

    Now, those of us who are on topic, where were we? Oh yeah.....
  7. by   lisamc1RN
    How did this get turned into a political post? By your post, it would seem that anything lesser than the offenses listed is just plain silly and trivial to be discussing denying licensure for. I'm not going to say that the guy deserves to be denied the opportunity to become a nurse, but stealing is not a very good quality in a nurse, no matter what the theft. I hope that if he is extended the grace by the court system and the BON to pursue his RN, he will remember this as a lesson learned and an act never to be repeated again.


    Quote from Hodge
    Ouch an electric razor....This is very serious indeed. If might NOT have been so bad if he had:

    1. lied about weapons of mass destruction to start a war for personal gain, kill 2000 US soldiers and countless Iraqi civilians, and then cut veterans bennefits for our soldiers who are coming home.....

    2. committed treason by outing an under cover CIA agent because the intelligence they provided did not meet your preconceived notions (even though those notions were clearly wrong)

    3. subverted campaign finance laws to funnel corporate contributions to steal an election

    4. made an insider trade on a blind trust account

    5. called for the assasination of a foriegn leader who was democratically elected

    I mean he stole an electric razor. This is clearly far more serious.....




    Stand up, Keep fighting - Senator Paul Wellstone
  8. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from truesn
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    student nurse mistake part2

    I just wanted to thank every one for their input. It has been very helpful. Meanwhile, my friend told me that the item he stole was an electric razor that he was going to give his father and that he faces the judge on the 20th, so I will keep you all posted. Please fell free to reply back with any more advice or comments.
    And his father was at death's door unless he got a close shave?

    Sorry, this has me more and more convinced I wouldn't want this kid taking care of me, anyone in my family, anyone I know, anyone I care about.

    And since I care about all living things, well, maybe accounting is more his bag. That kind of creative thinking is generally applauded more there than in the health care professions anyway.

    ( :stone ya gotta be kiddin'.... a razor for his daddy? )
  9. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from Hodge
    Ouch an electric razor....This is very serious indeed. If might NOT have been so bad if he had:

    1. lied about weapons of mass destruction to start a war for personal gain, kill 2000 US soldiers and countless Iraqi civilians, and then cut veterans bennefits for our soldiers who are coming home.....

    2. committed treason by outing an under cover CIA agent because the intelligence they provided did not meet your preconceived notions (even though those notions were clearly wrong)

    3. subverted campaign finance laws to funnel corporate contributions to steal an election

    4. made an insider trade on a blind trust account

    5. called for the assasination of a foriegn leader who was democratically elected

    I mean he stole an electric razor. This is clearly far more serious.....

    Stand up, Keep fighting - Senator Paul Wellstone
    Hitler was very kind to his dogs, but that doesn't have a lot to do with his character either.

    Is this on topic? Maybe I'm just not bright enough to pick up on the subtle points..... (You do know there is a "current events" forum for political commentary, right?)
  10. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from Helen46
    This challenge (given we are all anonymous) involves you telling us the story of the most devious naughty thing you have done (or at least you feel you can talk about - though not something really horrible and nasty),and preferably involving a bit of humour. For example, did you ever attend a kinky sex party, tell a whoppa about why you were late for work, or sleep with your girlfriend's mother.

    It will be interested to see who are the bravest people here (or perhaps the biggest story tellers *grin*)

    ....l'd like a little bit of naughty fun please

    Helen (my real name)
    This would be more than a little dangerous, and hardly the "g-rated" type of post that the board is supposed to contain.

    Take a chance and reveal something that can come back to haunt you? You're kidding, right?

    Not a good plan at all. Nothing is ever 100% anonymous, 100% certain or 100% safe when you are in a public forum, and this certainly is a public forum.....
  11. by   sbic56
    Fair to everyone? Probably not. Fair for most? Probably yes.
    Catys

    If it were fair to most, I wouldn't have anthing to say. That is my point...it isn't fair to most. This person we are talking about is the typical nurse wannabe with a "record" that who fears being barred from obtaining a nursing license because of it. That's right, the very dangerous, electric razor thief. We are not talking dangerous criminal behavior here. Fortunatley, this is America and our justice system is fair and wise enough to work in ways that protect this garden variety pseudo criminal from treatment that is too harsh. He really needs a good lawyer so he is treated in a just manner. He does need to do that so he does not become a victim of the literal word of the law. I seriously doubt most BON's would bar this particular individual becoming a nurse based on this conviction alone, so long as he remains a law abiding citizen from here on.
  12. by   sbic56
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    This would be more than a little dangerous, and hardly the "g-rated" type of post that the board is supposed to contain.

    Take a chance and reveal something that can come back to haunt you? You're kidding, right?

    Not a good plan at all. Nothing is ever 100% anonymous, 100% certain or 100% safe when you are in a public forum, and this certainly is a public forum.....
    Good point....I wonder how many would risk losing their nursing license with such admissions. :wink2:
  13. by   Hodge
    My post political? Yes. But then again, crime and punishment are political topics. My post merely points out that those who have wealth and power (and seem to preach morality to the rest of us) and commit far greater grievances are held to a lesser standard than those who are poor. Our justice system is not blind but weighted to those who have wealth and power. I see this on a daily basis......

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