That scary student has been reported again...

[IrishIzCPNP]

I know some thought I was wrong in reporting him but I did and my instructor was glad I did. This past weekend he was paired with yet another student and things didn't go well at all.

I don't know all the details but I left at 2:00, the partner left at 2:30 and the scary student left after 3:00. The partner had to stay behind because of the other student even though we all left at 2:00.

Again this guy didn't do any assessments, he had issues with meds, he was forceful with the patient, he didn't know how to document and from what I gather that's just the basics. There's a girl in our group who had to deal with him the previous year and she said nothing has changed. These 2 are new to our class...he apparently failed a nursing class and she screwed up math which from what I gather last year was really rough. So they are with us now.

So yesterday the student who had to deal with the scary one went to speak with the instructor and had a very nice conversation. He said that she clearly wanted to hear what his thoughts were. It sounds like she made a comment a little earlier that was hinting that he should talk to her about any issues. I know she knows there are issues and I think she needs to hear it from us as well so they can do something. Our mid term clinical evals are coming out. I bet he's not getting a satisfactory.

The student who had him first told me she regrets not reporting him and may go have a conversation with the instructor.

It's just a bad situation. I'm sure he's a nice guy but he's a danger on the floor.

Heck she instructor had to spend most of her time with him this past weekend...which honestly is not fair to the other students. She really can't leave him for very long and she certainly can't trust him with meds.

So it continues and it's very clear the instructor wants and expects us to report to her serious issues like this. I wouldn't work with a nurse like him and turn my head so I can't do it as a student. In fact my instructor made a comment that pretty much suggested that she would be annoyed if we ignored these things.

So there's the update on that. For those who thought it was wrong to report...that's your choice, your opinion. I did what I had to do and based on the reaction of the instructor and the report being made by another student...I know I did the right thing. Nursing school isn't just about me...

[bld24]

I don't know all the details

from what I gather It sounds like

I know she knows

I think she needs

I bet he's not

she certainly can't trust him

pretty much suggested

I hate to pick apart peoples posts, but I think you are heading down a slippery slope with this. These statements seem really speculative and gossipy. My opinion only: I think you should report dangerous behavior, but you should then disconnect. If you're comfortable that you did the correct thing in discussing this with your instructor, then there is no justification needed. But from the post it's sounding like this guy is getting slammed and talked about behind his back. Perhaps he needs to be tossed out, but I'd try to keep the speculation out of it and let the instructor do her job-she will figure it out. Advocate for your patients, not for getting a sub par student thrown out of school.

[locolorenzo22, BSN, RN]

OK, folks. Here's the long and short of it.....

1. SAHS had a classmate acting unprofessionally.

2. She reported it to instructor and told the issues that had developed.

3. Made a mistake in continuing to discuss what had happened in following weeks with issues she did not be personally involved with.

4. We ALL make mistakes.....however, if this student made SERIOUS pt. care mistake, I would lead the charge in kicking him/her out.....

5. SAHS, you cannot state more than the facts you know. Gossip is just that, but do not take it personally. Tell us the objective items that you KNOW about his behavior, no more. I want to know the end result.

6. I, too, have a new LPN student that has somehow joined our RN rotation for making up clinicals. He has single-handedly dragged down our entire groups perception by the staff nurses. He writes on the MAR how to give shots, he does NOT know to assess patients first thing upon introducing self, he does NOT realize that there is charting/meds/assessments/walking/etc to do with clients. If he does not shape up by next clinical, I will pull him aside afterwards and tell him privately that this is what I see, not that it means much, but I do not want others judging me by the basis of another poor student. (and he's not even an RN student).

7. Drop the subject. Arguing just divides us further when we should find this board to be a place of support. Come on, people, grow up.

[Jolie, BSN]

however, if this student made SERIOUS pt. care mistake, I would lead the charge in kicking him/her out.....

(Quote from locolorenzo22 above)

Wow! I guess things have changed in nursing education programs! I thought it was the faculty's responsibility to evaluate students and decide who advances and who is dropped.

[WDWpixieRN, RN]

I stay out of what others are doing...but then, we haven't done any "group" caring of patients since our first week in the hospital....I wouldn't KNOW if someone else was goofing up terribly unless I spent a lot of time shadowing them...but I have enough trouble taking care of myself without watching others...it is curious to read how they're handling clinicals in other schools....

And locolorenzo, I don't think it is a matter of "growing up"....it's a matter of personal opinion about how the OP has handled this situation in class and on the boards....sometimes the way we go about it isn't the nicest -- I've seen some real trashing of folks who I felt were just reaching out for help on these boards....in this case, a lot of people felt she went too far and responded to her post of this situation....that growing up is a two-way street if someone's going to post something on these boards (note to avoid flaming: I'm not directing that comment to you!!)...

[IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP]

Clarification...

I reported the student. I was asked about what was going on because I was obvious bothered by the events. The people who asked were my friends. I told them some of what happened...mainly to get advice. I always started what I said with "I bet he's a really nice guy but...". Nobody has trashed him. People have only discussed the fact about what he has done and not done.

The other student who reported. He came to me told me that the instructor hinted very strongly she wanted his opinion after clinicals. He gave it. Sure it's her job to watch and evaluate but when they suspect a problem sometimes it's possible that we the students see a lot more then she does as the instructor. He told me he reported. I quite frankly do not know what he reported. I think he told me but I didn't file it all away...partly because I'm sure it was the same stuff I saw and I was dealing with something else.

The student has no legal recourse against anyone. People are allowed to talk about what happened. Nobody has bad mouthed him or said anything about him...just what he has or has not done. Nobody has slandered him.

It's clear that some people here see nursing school as a very serious individual thing. That's not the case where I go. We are a very close group. We go to social functions with each other, we get invited as a group to holiday events at each other's homes. We all want to graduate with each other because we are close with each other. We have some REALLY strong friendships that have happened because of meeting there. We for the most part look out for each other and have each other's backs. Heck I even tried to cover for this guy a little bit even then he hung himself in front of the instructor.

And picking apart a post with literally only those few words doesn't say a lot. I'm just relaying a part of what happened with the 2nd student. I don't know the details. I said what I knew and since I didn't ask for or get the details exactly...though some I was told...I didn't lock it to memory so some things are just me not being able to state word for word what I was told.

I would help this guy if I could. I can't. I don't think anyone can. If he makes it through...great. If it makes it through and he walks into the room of my loved one...he will be asked to leave.

I stated my facts. I gave some information here about what else I was told or heard but I did not and would not pass them to onto the instructor.

[LisaJ_RN]

well stated...SAH

[semperfi8688]

Id agree with the others. Leave it to the Instructor, i know they are quite vigil about what is and isnt happening. You should becareful about noticing the stick in their eye, because you maybe blinded by the two by four in your own.

[semperfi8688]

semperfi8688Id agree with the others. Leave it to the Instructor, i know they are quite vigil about what is and isnt happening. You should becareful about noticing the stick in their eye, because you maybe blinded by the two by four in your own.

[onduty23]

the fact i am at getting is you may have cause to report him but their isnt a need to post someone business on a message board. keep it in house this isnt a soap opera. we can't do anythng about it.i wish HIPPA also applied to talking about student action on the net. never once have i ever brought up a classmate action on a message board. if a teacher feels someone is unsafe they will handle it, it isnt the job of students to declare someone unsafe. one thing i learn in nursing school is somefolks have big egos and will do anything to separate themselves from others. jmho

[IrishIzCPNP, MSN, RN, APRN, NP]

the fact i am at getting is you may have cause to report him but their isnt a need to post some business on a message board. keep it in house this isnt a soap opera. we can't do anythng about it.i wish HIPPA also applied to talking about student action on the net. never once have i ever brought up a classmate action on a message board. if a teacher feels someone is unsafe they will handle it, it isnt the job of students to declare someone unsafe. one thing i learn in nursing school is somefolks have big egos and will do anything to separate themselves from others. jmho

First off this wouldn't be a HIPPA violation as there have not been any identifying characteristics except it was a male. No HIPPA issues.

Again...I thought this board was for support, a sounding board and not always completely formal. Apparently this isn't a friendly board to just discuss nursing school things in general. This board is apparently very formal and strict topic. I didn't realize it. I simply wrote about it to get it off my chest, to share, to relieve the stress of a horrible day. I won't make that mistake again. I will stick to non personal, non friendly posts only.

It's a shame things are so uptight though.

[Sarah_M]

I dont think You should report anyone. In not your job to evaluate student, its your instructors job. I hope some people agree with me..

sarah

[WDWpixieRN, RN]

It's a shame things are so uptight though.

"things"?!?!?!